IndyRef2 : This time it's war!

[original PM]

I know Scotland will be worse off, there is no doubt about it.
I'm sure some of of SNP will do nicely out of it though.
Still, I say go for it delude yourself about GDP and oil prices, I mean the economy doesn't matter right?

Interestingly enough not to a socialist because they just spend everyone else's money

[MrMarkyMark]

Fine. Let us go and see who is better off after independence.

I know Scotland will be worse off, there is no doubt about it.
I'm sure some of of SNP will do nicely out of it though.
Still, I say go for it delude yourself about GDP and oil prices, I mean the economy doesn't matter right?

[Mordac]

The BBC have apologised

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...icola-sturgeon

But the gorilla said there was really no need to

[jamesbrown]

It's rubbish that this is anti-English. It's all about being independent like any other country can be.

FWIW, I find it difficult to argue with that. I don't think you'd have a majority now, as then, and I don't think it would work out well for either Scotland or the RUK. I think it's unlikely that an independent Scotland would meet the requirements for EU membership, given its fiscal position and the lack of clarity over currency (certainly, keeping the pound would not be compatible with EU membership). Also, I really can't see the argument about the tyranny of the UK over the EU. All that said, it would be rather hypocritical as a Brexit voter to deny you a similar desire for independence. And the upside would be a lot less whining from the bloody nationalists

[Batcher]

The fact that as a small insignificant member of the EU (always assuming you can grovel your way to the foot of their table!) you will be told what to do by the European Commission and will have even less rights than you currently do under Westminster.

HTH

Fine. Let us go and see who is better off after independence.

[Batcher]

And that's going to cover the 9% shortful in GDP?

You and I know this is an anti-English thing. If the UK was so bad you'd have similar movements in Wales and Northern Ireland. It's a cult-like obsession.

Like everthing in life some ideas would work and some wouldn't. It's just the bits that didn't would wreck Scotland. Everyone knows of two such events even in the last decade; RBS in 2008 and the collapse in oil price recently. Why not just get on with governing with the vast powers the SNP have? Probably because it'll show the SNP's faults.

Again, if we have a shortfall that's because we have been mismanaged by Westminster.

It's rubbish that this is anti-English. It's all about being independent like any other country can be. There are many English members of the SNP and some are even MSPs. Deputy leader Angus Roberston was born in England to Scottish/German parents. The Independence movement is more than just the SNP so your argument doesn't hold water.

RBS are only headquartered in Edinburgh, the main business that caused the problems were in the City of London with the traders.

Oil price is on it's way back up and more oil has been discovered. We're the only country that sees oil as a curse FFS.

We don't have vast powers and we were promised the closest thing to home rule you can have. That was all reneged on and people who can remember 1979 knew that. The younger ones will know next time not to trust any promises.

[vetran]

Angry Gorilla on the loose in Scotland. Apparently.

Blunder as BBC Breakfast shows escaped gorilla instead of Nicola Sturgeon

Someone in the BBC retains a sense of humour at least....

[Flashman]

Angry Gorilla on the loose in Scotland. Apparently.

Blunder as BBC Breakfast shows escaped gorilla instead of Nicola Sturgeon

Someone in the BBC retains a sense of humour at least....

[shaunbhoy]

Shocker - poll since yesterday

Some Facebook page for the bereft of thinking was it?

[scooterscot]

Shocker - poll since yesterday