Project Waste of Time Bollox is more complex than you think

[original PM]

If that were true, why would we have voted to Remain out of loyalty to the national interest even though we will personally clean up on the rotting corpse of Brexit?

Why is it in the national interest to have free movement of people which puts extra strain on an already strained social infrastructure.

Sure for those of us living in middle class suburbia we do not see these issue.

But those who are on the breadline are the ones affected and that was why a vote to remain was a vote to lay a cable on these people

And also why was it in the national interest to have a central european power dictate to us our civil liberties?

[Old Greg]

Why is it in the national interest to have free movement of people which puts extra strain on an already strained social infrastructure.

Sure for those of us living in middle class suburbia we do not see these issue.

But those who are on the breadline are the ones affected and that was why a vote to remain was a vote to lay a cable on these people

And also why was it in the national interest to have a central european power dictate to us our civil liberties?

Do you understand that different people may have a different view of the national interest?

[LondonManc]

Well it was chaps like Gove who were saying 'No problem if there's no deal we'll just trade on WTO rulels' Of course in they had no clue of the difficulties associated with that. Just another delusion blown away as so many others will be.

Of course the UK may be able to get better terms than Norway, but that's not the point. The simple point is, will what the UK ends up be so materially different (and better) from what we have today to justify leaving the EU? I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that one.

The problem is that nobody will know what would have happened had we taken the other route - would we end up bankrolling the Italian banks, propping up the rest of Europe as Germany bails out Deutschebank and so on.

Only a fool would suggest that we can measure what would have happened if we had taken the other route (and I suspect CW will be along shortly to prove it).

[GB9]

Do you understand that different people may have a different view of the national interest?

And do you understand that in this country we tend to do what the majority who can be arsed to vote want?

Do we lead or are we led? I think it's fair to suggest that following a referendum to gain our views the muppets who represent us should actually put forward those views.

[GB9]

Well it was chaps like Gove who were saying 'No problem if there's no deal we'll just trade on WTO rulels' Of course in they had no clue of the difficulties associated with that. Just another delusion blown away as so many others will be.

Of course the UK may be able to get better terms than Norway, but that's not the point. The simple point is, will what the UK ends up be so materially different (and better) from what we have today to justify leaving the EU? I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that one.

The main thing you are missing is self determination.

[Old Greg]

And do you understand that in this country we tend to do what the majority who can be arsed to vote want?

No we don't. This is a representative democracy. Do you understand that?

[Platypus]

No we don't. This is a representative democracy. Do you understand that?

I do understand this. But to keep saying it and to remind people that the referendum is only advisory, is, you must admit, a kick in the nuts as far as most people (voters) are concerned. It might have been wise beforehand for politicians to emphasise that the referendum was only advisory in nature and say they could and very well might ignore the result.

[minestrone]

Still a lot of Stage 2 evident.

Be positive and move on.

[meridian]

I do understand this. But to keep saying it and to remind people that the referendum is only advisory, is, you must admit, a kick in the nuts as far as most people (voters) are concerned. It might have been wise beforehand for politicians to emphasise that the referendum was only advisory in nature and say they could and very well might ignore the result.

It would also have been wise for politicians on the Brexit side to spell out exactly what the plan was beforehand.

The only thing that voters have voted for is "out of the EU". As long as that happens, even if the result is Common Market + free movement + EU contributions, then the referendum result has been followed.

[vetran]

It would also have been wise for politicians on the Brexit side to spell out exactly what the plan was beforehand.

The only thing that voters have voted for is "out of the EU". As long as that happens, even if the result is Common Market + free movement + EU contributions, then the referendum result has been followed.

no it hasn't. That's a Politician's type of decision. People want out of the for all types of reasons you need to fix most of those to have a suitable resolution.