Project Waste of Time Bollox is more complex than you think

[LondonManc]

You ought to read the link posted by sirja. It's written by one of your own.
Or if the words are too long and the concepts too complicated, just wait around and see what happens in the next few years.

One of my own? I didn't vote leave, I'm just enjoying watching democracy unfold in such a way that it appears that democracy works until it doesn't go the way people expected. The bitching and moaning of people who choose not to respect the result of a referendum is astounding, but not surprising, especially given that you were an odious cretin before you didn't get to patronise the Brexiters.

[Old Greg]

but you are not in the least bit interested in saving the country

all you are interested in is making sure you are alright and fook everyone else.

If that were true, why would we have voted to Remain out of loyalty to the national interest even though we will personally clean up on the rotting corpse of Brexit?

[Old Greg]

One of my own? I didn't vote leave, I'm just enjoying watching democracy unfold in such a way that it appears that democracy works until it doesn't go the way people expected. The bitching and moaning of people who choose not to respect the result of a referendum is astounding, but not surprising, especially given that you were an odious cretin before you didn't get to patronise the Brexiters.

Bravo, sir. I couldn't have made it up any better myself.

[CretinWatcher]

One of my own? I didn't vote leave, I'm just enjoying watching democracy unfold in such a way that it appears that democracy works until it doesn't go the way people expected. The bitching and moaning of people who choose not to respect the result of a referendum is astounding, but not surprising, especially given that you were an odious cretin before you didn't get to patronise the Brexiters.

Perhaps we should follow our parliamentary democracy traditions then, allow the MPs to vote according to their beliefs, and treat the advisory referendum with the respect it deserves

[Old Greg]

Perhaps we should follow our parliamentary democracy traditions then, allow the MPs to vote according to their beliefs, and treat the advisory referendum with the respect it deserves

It's the correct move constitutionally. Of course they may well get voted out en masse and replaced by pro-Brexit MPs. That's the representative parliamentary democracy which our proud patriotic Brexit friends so crave. Having said that, it's not IMO a likely eventuality, and there are so many possible outcomes of the current fix, and they all call for

[GB9]

Perhaps we should follow our parliamentary democracy traditions then, allow the MPs to vote according to their beliefs, and treat the advisory referendum with the respect it deserves

MPS are there to represent the views of their constituents, not to overrule them just because they might not like genuine democracy.

It's also a common theme amongst people like Juncker who think they know what the people should have. Are you sure you're not one of his stooges? You're certainly stupid enough.

[Old Greg]

MPS are there to represent the views of their constituents, not to overrule them just because they might not like genuine democracy.

That is not true in a representative democracy like the UK. It might have been worth reading up on this before the referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

What you want is a form of delegative democracy. Trade Unions tend to work in this way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delegative_democracy

[CretinWatcher]

MPS are there to represent the views of their constituents, not to overrule them just because they might not like genuine democracy.

It's also a common theme amongst people like Juncker who think they know what the people should have. Are you sure you're not one of his stooges? You're certainly stupid enough.

That is not true in a representative democracy like the UK. It might have been worth reading up on this before the referendum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

What you want is a form of delegative democracy. Trade Unions tend to work in this way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delegative_democracy

'Nuff said

[Old Greg]

'Nuff said

But they voted for something they didn't understand and it's NOT FAIR!!!!!

[sirja]

Yes I do. It's not difficult to comprehend, no matter how ground-breaking it may seem to some of you. Nobody ever thought it would be a simple case of boot up word and Find and Replace Norway with United Kingdom. If we can't get more favourable terms than the small economies, we're doing it wrong.

Besides, the Germans won't want to lose their biggest European car export market will they? Only China, USA and, unsurprisingly, Germany are bigger markets in the world for BMW.

Well it was chaps like Gove who were saying 'No problem if there's no deal we'll just trade on WTO rulels' Of course in they had no clue of the difficulties associated with that. Just another delusion blown away as so many others will be.

Of course the UK may be able to get better terms than Norway, but that's not the point. The simple point is, will what the UK ends up be so materially different (and better) from what we have today to justify leaving the EU? I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that one.