Reply to: Project Waste of Time Bollox is more complex than you think

[darmstadt]

Just over 2000 respondents should be representative enough for most.

Good to see people realising it was about sovereignty rather than immigration. Shame it's taken them so long.

Explain exactly what you mean by sovereignty because as far as I am aware if the UK didn't have sovereignty then it would not have been able to hold the referendum...

[Old Greg]

Just over 2000 respondents should be representative enough for most.

Good to see people realising it was about sovereignty rather than immigration. Shame it's taken them so long.

It would be interesting to see if any adjustment was made for the shy racist (like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shy_Tory_Factor).

[GB9]

Yep, though I think most polls having shockingly few participants. Probably why they get things like general elections wrong.

The one I was looking for was I think from The Guardian last week which said the same: most outies voted for "take back control" more than immigration. "Take back control" could simply mean getting control of one thing from the EU and voila! Referendum result satisfied. Of course whilst immigration can be measured (mostly), "control" is rather more difficult to get a handle on. I'd be quite happy being a full member of the EEA with freedom of movement. It just means less control.

And we want the opposite.

And having thousands more respondents in a survey will make a disproportionate difference. Around 2000 is enough.

[VectraMan]

Leaving aside the question of whether a survey of 12k voters statistically represents the views of 17m, it merely confirms my point - if the survey says that the vote was about sovereignty, and the vote itself was a simple "leave the EU", then as long as we leave the EU it doesn't matter what the terms are, and that a Brexit with full passporting, Common Market access, free movement of people, and a hefty contribution from the UK to the EU each year still fulfils the result of the referendum.

Somehow though I doubt that the Sun and Daily Mail readers would agree.

Yep, though I think most polls having shockingly few participants. Probably why they get things like general elections wrong.

The one I was looking for was I think from The Guardian last week which said the same: most outies voted for "take back control" more than immigration. "Take back control" could simply mean getting control of one thing from the EU and voila! Referendum result satisfied. Of course whilst immigration can be measured (mostly), "control" is rather more difficult to get a handle on. I'd be quite happy being a full member of the EEA with freedom of movement. It just means less control.

[GB9]

Leaving aside the question of whether a survey of 12k voters statistically represents the views of 17m, it merely confirms my point - if the survey says that the vote was about sovereignty, and the vote itself was a simple "leave the EU", then as long as we leave the EU it doesn't matter what the terms are, and that a Brexit with full passporting, Common Market access, free movement of people, and a hefty contribution from the UK to the EU each year still fulfils the result of the referendum.

Somehow though I doubt that the Sun and Daily Mail readers would agree.

Just over 2000 respondents should be representative enough for most.

Good to see people realising it was about sovereignty rather than immigration. Shame it's taken them so long.

[meridian]

This wasn't the one I was look for, but:

Poll Shows Brexit Vote Was About British Sovereignty, Not Anti-Immigration | US News Opinion

Leaving aside the question of whether a survey of 12k voters statistically represents the views of 17m, it merely confirms my point - if the survey says that the vote was about sovereignty, and the vote itself was a simple "leave the EU", then as long as we leave the EU it doesn't matter what the terms are, and that a Brexit with full passporting, Common Market access, free movement of people, and a hefty contribution from the UK to the EU each year still fulfils the result of the referendum.

Somehow though I doubt that the Sun and Daily Mail readers would agree.

[Old Greg]

Not according to the Governments own legal team it's not.

Would you consider the government independent or partisan in this matter?

[VectraMan]

Nobody knows why all the people want out, there hasn't been a poll on it. All we know for sure is that the referendum question was "do you want to leave the EU", anything else is conjecture on your part.

This wasn't the one I was look for, but:

Poll Shows Brexit Vote Was About British Sovereignty, Not Anti-Immigration | US News Opinion

[CretinWatcher]

Not according to the Governments own legal team it's not.

I have this image of the remain campaigns arguments:

You're going to find out what a wreckage is soon enough

[NigelJK]

It's the correct move constitutionally

Not according to the Governments own legal team it's not.

I have this image of the remain campaigns arguments:

[vetran]

Nobody knows why all the people want out, there hasn't been a poll on it. All we know for sure is that the referendum question was "do you want to leave the EU", anything else is conjecture on your part.

ah now you understand. More work needed!

[meridian]

no it hasn't. That's a Politician's type of decision. People want out of the for all types of reasons you need to fix most of those to have a suitable resolution.

Nobody knows why all the people want out, there hasn't been a poll on it. All we know for sure is that the referendum question was "do you want to leave the EU", anything else is conjecture on your part.

[darmstadt]

Cretinism is not used as a medical term anymore. Like moron and idiot.

Along with 'son of a syphilitic whore' and 'gonococci face'

[Old Greg]

You want to mock people with a title that is actually a severe medical condition?

Cretinism is not used as a medical term anymore. Like moron and idiot.

[minestrone]

I know you understand. I'm just mocking the cretins.

You want to mock people with a title that is actually a severe medical condition?