[Merged]Brexit stuff

[original PM]

So we're not changing laws. We like the trade deals. And the majority of benefit claiming immigrants come from outside the EU, whilst we banish hardworking eastern europeans. The NHS will not get £350 million a week.

Cake and eat it in progress. Interesting times ahead.

Well it's not cake and eat it is it

EU trade deals are good for both the EU and the UK so why break them?

Unless out of spite and childish pettymindedness because the UK had the audacity to stand up, be strong and say enough is enough.

[scooterscot]

Is your latest tactic to take everything said and then reverse it?

Laws changed after we leave. It might take years to decide and change the ones we want to so let's do it after.

We do like trade deals. Unfortunately the EU seem to think that trade goes hand in hand with everyone migrating where they want to whereas we would like the right to decide who comes.

Hopefully none of the hard working Eastern Europeans or indeed any other Europeans will be banished, however, if the EU Commission wants to stick rigidly to its ideology and doesn't mind sacrificing a few lefties for the greater good then so be it.

£350m for NHS. Iceland anyone?

'We' a word a keep reading. Bar 2%; half of the electorate voted to remain. There is no 'we'. Perhaps at 70%. Freedom of movement is a cast iron right of the bloc. Without people like me from small countries would not be able to work wherever we wanted with such ease. A service based economy like the UK needs cheap labour. It just won't work otherwise.

Completely confused as to what brexit is actually achieving.

[scooterscot]

Well it's not cake and eat it is it

EU trade deals are good for both the EU and the UK so why break them?

A question asked to every Brexitier, still no answer.

Tariffs will now replace the trade deals we once enjoyed and our services will likely up-sticks considering they are easy to move.

[GB9]

A question asked to every Brexitier, still no answer.

Tariffs will now replace the trade deals we once enjoyed and our services will likely up-sticks considering they are easy to move.

We don't want to break them. Unfortunately the EU Commission is only offering a take it or leave it package. Cutting off their own nose so to speak.

[GB9]

'We' a word a keep reading. Bar 2%; half of the electorate voted to remain. There is no 'we'. Perhaps at 70%. Freedom of movement is a cast iron right of the bloc. Without people like me from small countries would not be able to work wherever we wanted with such ease. A service based economy like the UK needs cheap labour. It just won't work otherwise.

Completely confused as to what brexit is actually achieving.

Brexit is removing the UK from the progress towards a EU superstate based upon socialist principles and which we can't veto. It is based upon the equalisation of economies of all members down to the lowest common denominator which is facilitated, in amongst other means, by uncontrolled freedom of movement.

I have no problem with movement attached to provision of a service, so if a company in Germany gets a contract in the UK then I would expect them to be able to bring their staff into the country etc. That would resolve the point you raise.

[GB9]

But no date yet.

By end of March 2017.

[jamesbrown]

By end of March 2017.

Yes, far the more significant of the two announcements. Now that's resolved, I don't expect we'll be hearing much more in her speech or until shortly before A50 is triggered. That said, it's pretty obvious that we'll be leaving the customs union, otherwise DIT is completely redundant, and the desire to have complete control over immigration (stated again today) implies that we'll be leaving the single market too.

[scooterscot]

Brexit is removing the UK from the progress towards a EU superstate based upon socialist principles and which we can't veto.

That's democracy. 27 out of 28 members prefer the status quo.

It is based upon the equalisation of economies of all members down to the lowest common denominator which is facilitated, in amongst other means, by uncontrolled freedom of movement.

Why is that a bad thing? The UK union some might argue is most unequal.

I have no problem with movement attached to provision of a service, so if a company in Germany gets a contract in the UK then I would expect them to be able to bring their staff into the country etc. That would resolve the point you raise.

Woud families be expected to uproot and relocate without the prospect of some reassurance they could reside after the contract?

Why a company is going to expose itself to those unnecessary costs.. it makes little to no sense.

[GB9]

That's democracy. 27 out of 28 members prefer the status quo.



Why is that a bad thing? The UK union some might argue is most unequal.



Woud families be expected to uproot and relocate without the prospect of some reassurance they could reside after the contract?

Why a company is going to expose itself to those unnecessary costs.. it makes little to no sense.

That's democracy if you want to be controlled by external countries. We clearly don't, hence we are leaving. It's the same as some in Scotland not wanting to be part of the UK democracy and being controlled by countries outside Scotland.

Why would they be entitled to reside after the contract? Once the work is done it's done. It's about free movement to support the provision of services. Why should having done a contract in a country mean you should be entitled to move your family over and stay resident on a permanent basis?

And what costs wouldn't a company expose itself to? If I get a contract in Italy then I bear the costs of doing the work in the same way as I would do in London. Why should I be entitled to live in Italy after the work is complete?

[GB9]

Meanwhile, Hungary is hardy playing fair. Voting to veto EU Commission plans being 'forced on them' whilst demanding we accept as many of their citizens as want to come here.