Scotland after Brexit - 4 threads into one

[GJABS]

Don't be absurd. Westminster screamed their 'better together' message means being part of the EU. Two years later they rescind after Scots voted the way they wanted.

Two years ago you scots voted to remain part of the UK. The actions of the voters today across the whole of the UK are part of what IS the UK. That is what you voted for two. You should have seen that the levels of Euroscepticism in other parts of the UK might have triggered a referendum, and based your judgement on that accordingly.
You can't say "we want to be in the UK" and then start cherry picking bits you like about it and bits you don't.

[TestMangler]

Gers figures for corporation tax come from HRMC, I am happy with the mechanisms they use to disaggregate, to claim Scottish government figures are anti Scottish government propaganda is tin foil hat time. I can't counter madness.

On corporation tax we have to remember that Scotland had the lowest level of companies per head of population in the UK, which is pretty poor as we are always screaming about how industrious and innovative we are, also that includes Northern Ireland which is a complete economic basket case.

Anyway, I'm off to the pub to watch the football.

I didn't claim that though, did I ?

I gave you two examples as to why the GERS figures don't actually tell you what you think they tell you. GERS figures pre-date the Scottish Govt.

[SueEllen]

Two years ago you scots voted to remain part of the UK. The actions of the voters today across the whole of the UK are part of what IS the UK. That is what you voted for two. You should have seen that the levels of Euroscepticism in other parts of the UK might have triggered a referendum, and based your judgement on that accordingly.
You can't say "we want to be in the UK" and then start cherry picking bits you like about it and bits you don't.

Part of being in the UK was that the UK was part of the EU. The other EU members told Scotland at the time that if they became independent they would find it extremely difficult to get separate membership.

Now England and Wales have voted to leave, and the devolution agreements are based on the UK being a member of the EU both Scotland and NI are right in demanding referendums.

[xoggoth]

I can understand Scotland's desire to be free of the UK. It never works when people are forced into a union with others who have different cultures and different views on what the future should be. People need to look at history, the Roman Empire, the Austro Hungarian empire, The Ottoman empire, the USSR, Yugoslavia etc. As Scotland shows, even centuries don't necessarily solve the issues. But this is exactly why we voted to leave an EU that was seeking more and more to impose a uniform government on disparate nations.

I think the Scottish really need to think logically about what they are doing rather than just act out of their historic resentment at the English. They are an important part of the UK and have managed to get quite a bit in terms of self government. They may manage to get even more and, provided we English get the same, most of us will support it.

On the other hand, if they are a separate nation within the EU they will count for very little, having a GDP not much different to that of Greece and will have almost no say in what happens.

Very much a case of out of the frying pan...

[SueEllen]

I can understand Scotland's desire to be free of the UK. It never works when people are forced into a union with others who have different cultures and different views on what the future should be. People need to look at history, the Roman Empire, the Austro Hungarian empire, The Ottoman empire, the USSR, Yugoslavia etc. As Scotland shows, even centuries don't necessarily solve the issues. But this is exactly why we voted to leave an EU that was seeking more and more to impose a uniform government on disparate nations.

I think the Scottish really need to think logically about what they are doing rather than just act out of their historic resentment at the English. They are an important part of the UK and have managed to get quite a bit in terms of self government. They may manage to get even more and, provided we English get the same, most of us will support it.

On the other hand, if they are a separate nation within the EU they will count for very little, having a GDP not much different to that of Greece and will have almost no say in what happens.

Very much a case of out of the frying pan...

If they are given an referendum with the Northern Irish they may vote "No". So give them both what they want.

We have a parliamentary issue that the majority of the House of Commons don't want to leave the EU and the two main parties in England and Wales are leaderless as even if Corbyn remains Labour leader, Labour MPs will rebel.

[NickFitz]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

No chance of that with no oil for the hinges

[scooterscot]

I think the Scottish really need to think logically about what they are doing rather than just act out of their historic resentment at the English. They are an important part of the UK and have managed to get quite a bit in terms of self government. They may manage to get even more and, provided we English get the same, most of us will support it.

On the other hand, if they are a separate nation within the EU they will count for very little, having a GDP not much different to that of Greece and will have almost no say in what happens.

Very much a case of out of the frying pan...

What, just like the English and Welsh did yesterday?

[SpontaneousOrder]

So Scotlands independence to be able to go join the EU and prosper is good.
The UK's independence to go and seek prosperity is bad?

[AtW]

hey if the EU wants a ministrone let them have it.

FTFY

[scooterscot]

So Scotlands independence to be able to go join the EU and prosper is good.
The UK's independence to go and seek prosperity is bad?

No.

I'm pretty sure I speak for most Scots when I say Scotland does not wish to create divisions between people. There is little interest in Scotland for protectionism, it's not that kind of independence Scotland seeks.

What the UK did on the 23rd was a mighty slap in the face to our fellow Europeans. Scotland what no part of that. Nicola was quick to act, to make it clear members of the EU are welcome in Scotland.