EU referendum: Boris and Gove pledge tough new immigration system after Brexit

[dx4100]

Why?

Because it makes it harder for him to talk about us being overpopulated when its clearly a myth....

[SueEllen]

How does that work in the UK ? For example there is a shortage of cyber security people. If we just allowed skills like these to come to the UK how would that affect the market? There are no locals to do these jobs. At the bottom end of the spectrum we have EU graduates coming to the UK. They are not competing for the graduate jobs that UK graduates would go for instead they are working in Starbucks and retail outlets. These would normally be jobs done by non graduate uK workers. Where do these workers of ours go? First of all Starbucks have it easy as they do not have any upward pressure on wages and secondly the uK non graduates will then have to drop a rung and work in completely unskilled jobs as they cannot compete with the Eastern Europeans.

You seem to think that British graduates don't work in shops like Starbucks when they graduate. I did and so do my young relations now. The reason for this is partially the same as the EU graduates in that they are working out what they want to do, finding what they want to do or waiting to do what they want to do. The only difference with some of the EU graduates is that they are improving their English skills.

I know for a fact I was employed instead of unqualified British youth, and so are my young degree qualified relations now. The shop managers know we won't stay long but the advantage they have for the time we do stay is they get people who are willing to work and treat the customers properly. Those with graduate schemes are also aware that is one way to get us in.

[DodgyAgent]

Well the UK then needs to do something about that. Cyber security specialists are now on the list of official skills shortage: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ules_print.pdf so obviously if one or more wanted to come to the UK then they would do so but this does not affect the UK market not only because there are not many in the UK (which the UK needs to sort out) but because of the restrictions placed on companies trying to hire them: UK immigration rules fly in the face of cyber security skills shortage. Presumably if those requirements were dropped then there wouldn't be a shortage of non-UK specialists but at the same time, salaries would drop because then there would be too many of them...

I also think that many EU graduates come to the UK for a certain period of time, mainly to live the life, brush up on their English language skills and then bugger off back home.

EU graduates from Poland anyway are here to stay. As for Cyber security specialists they do not want to come to the UK unless they are pulled in. There are many of them in the EU all with good jobs where they are . Some would come to the uK if asked but they are hardly queuing at the door. The difference is that the UK is a repository of jobs for the entire population of the EU. We should instead be developing our own people and just hire those we really need.

[Old Greg]

Because it makes it harder for him to talk about us being overpopulated when its clearly a myth....

To be fair to Dodgy, he is a mendacious spiv, so he's only doing his best.

[DodgyAgent]

You seem to think that British graduates don't work in shops like Starbucks when they graduate. I did and so do my young relations now. The reason for this is partially the same as the EU graduates in that they are working out what they want to do, finding what they want to do or waiting to do what they want to do. The only difference with some of the EU graduates is that they are improving their English skills.

I know for a fact I was employed instead of unqualified British youth, and so are my young degree qualified relations now. The shop managers know we won't stay long but the advantage they have for the time we do stay is they get people who are willing to work and treat the customers properly. Those with graduate schemes are also aware that is one way to get us in.

I am sure you are right, but I do know that "graduate" jobs in the UK are hardly touched by EU graduates

[VectraMan]

Brexit may not be the answer but it at least hands us the control of what we do. So if we want to shut down completely our borders we can do so. If we want to let in just a few say Cyber security specialists then we can do so. Your view seems to be that we are heading for 100 million population anyway and should therefore just allow it to happen.

I favour a practical solution that will actually work, rather than a box ticking exercise that makes no difference to the problem but hurts us in other ways. I'm not sure there is one; immigration is probably an inevitable consequence of being a relatively rich country, as it was long before the EU existed. Maybe we should just get used to the idea.

[dx4100]

immigration made us a relatively rich country

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[m0n1k3r]

Yes but it's not a "tough new immigration system". It's the same immigration system. Once Brexit inevitably happens all EU immigrants will be part of the existing system by default*. So this is Boris and Govey announcing nothing.

*Until David Cameron signs us up to free movement within the EEA.

Which they will of course, as they have stated we will still have free access to the common market. The only thing their proposal will achieve is to increase immigration - putting Commonwealth citizens on equal footing with EEA citizens. Everybody's happy.

[darmstadt]

EU graduates from Poland anyway are here to stay. As for Cyber security specialists they do not want to come to the UK unless they are pulled in. There are many of them in the EU all with good jobs where they are . Some would come to the uK if asked but they are hardly queuing at the door. The difference is that the UK is a repository of jobs for the entire population of the EU. We should instead be developing our own people and just hire those we really need.

So its just the UK in the EU that is a repository for EU graduates, not other EU countries? Why is that then? Actually where I'm currently working, not in the UK, there are graduates from all over the world working here but I also know of many graduates from all over the world, including the EU, who are working in what you could call menial jobs here, its not just the UK I'm afraid so don't think that the UK is a special case...

[vetran]

Invading and ripping off the weaker nations made us a relatively rich country. Immigration on this scale has never happened to the UK before (apart from invasions) so we have no idea what the result will be

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