EU referendum: Boris and Gove pledge tough new immigration system after Brexit

[dx4100]

I just wonder whether the remain campaign realise that they are actually endorsing open doors migration to the UK. We already struggle to stem the arrival of non EU migrants. Do we really want the uK to grow into a country with a population of 100 million?

EU migrants pay for their own up keep... Its a none issue as long as this is the case. The reality is non EU migrants don't pay for their own up keep. The focus on EU migration is nothing short of madness.

100 million / 200 million ? Its all just numbers with no substance...

The issue is the UK government's lack of ability in providing decent public services. Which is going to be the case if we exit or not.

[BlasterBates]

About 50% of net immigration is from outside the EU though. Why can't the UK sort that out? Its irrelevant to the stay/remain vote.

Exactly, simply imposing visas on EU immigrants will simply mean even more visas being issued. The reason why there are so many is because a) Universities recruit an enormous number of overseas students b) employers are offering jobs and supporting visa applications.

The EU is a separate issue to immigration.

[VectraMan]

I just wonder whether the remain campaign realise that they are actually endorsing open doors migration to the UK. We already struggle to stem the arrival of non EU migrants. Do we really want the uK to grow into a country with a population of 100 million?

No we don't, but then when as many immigrants come in under the points based immigration system as come in from the "open door" migration from the EU what difference will Brexit have to the numbers? Expanding the points based immigration system may gave us more control but the out campaign hasn't said what they expect the numbers to reduce to. If it's 10% less, even if they're more qualified, then we're still heading to the 100 million regardless.

And the thing that the out campaign leave out is you're also removing the right of British citizens to emmigrate. It's not just about numbers; I like having that freedom, whether I ever use it or not. But it could well be that the reduction in emmigration offsets the reduction in immigration.

The question is: Is Brexit the answer? Does what we gain really outweigh what we lose?

[DodgyAgent]

One of the problems here, and has been outlined in various reports, is that you get the same problems associated with low skilled workers driving salaries down and taking the positions of the locals. You may get the higher skilled workers but they'll take those jobs which locals could also do but for less. A catch-22 situation in many ways...

How does that work in the UK ? For example there is a shortage of cyber security people. If we just allowed skills like these to come to the UK how would that affect the market? There are no locals to do these jobs. At the bottom end of the spectrum we have EU graduates coming to the UK. They are not competing for the graduate jobs that UK graduates would go for instead they are working in Starbucks and retail outlets. These would normally be jobs done by non graduate uK workers. Where do these workers of ours go? First of all Starbucks have it easy as they do not have any upward pressure on wages and secondly the uK non graduates will then have to drop a rung and work in completely unskilled jobs as they cannot compete with the Eastern Europeans.

[Old Greg]

EU migrants pay for their own up keep... Its a none issue as long as this is the case. The reality is non EU migrants don't pay for their own up keep. The focus on EU migration is nothing short of madness.

100 million / 200 million ? Its all just numbers with no substance...

The issue is the UK government's lack of ability in providing decent public services. Which is going to be the case if we exit or not.

The good citizens of Malta must be panicking at the prospect of a population of 100 million. And what with open migration within the UK continuing even after Brexit, how will Surrey cope with a potential population of 10 to 20 million?

[DodgyAgent]

No we don't, but then when as many immigrants come in under the points based immigration system as come in from the "open door" migration from the EU what difference will Brexit have to the numbers? Expanding the points based immigration system may gave us more control but the out campaign hasn't said what they expect the numbers to reduce to. If it's 10% less, even if they're more qualified, then we're still heading to the 100 million regardless.

And the thing that the out campaign leave out is you're also removing the right of British citizens to emmigrate. It's not just about numbers; I like having that freedom, whether I ever use it or not. But it could well be that the reduction in emmigration offsets the reduction in immigration.

The question is: Is Brexit the answer? Does what we gain really outweigh what we lose?

Brexit may not be the answer but it at least hands us the control of what we do. So if we want to shut down completely our borders we can do so. If we want to let in just a few say Cyber security specialists then we can do so. Your view seems to be that we are heading for 100 million population anyway and should therefore just allow it to happen. As far as emigration is concerned I reckon our emigrants they will stand or fall according to the economic value they would give to the country to which they move. Let us face it they are either high end workers or retiring they are not "just looking for a job" as are most of the migrants coming to the UK.

[Old Greg]

Brexit may not be the answer but it at least hands us the control of what we do. So if we want to shut down completely our borders we can do so. If we want to let in just a few say Cyber security specialists then we can do so. Your view seems to be that we are heading for 100 million population anyway and should therefore just allow it to happen. As far as emigration is concerned I reckon our emigrants they will stand or fall according to the economic value they would give to the country to which they move. Let us face it they are either high end workers or retiring they are not "just looking for a job" as are most of the migrants coming to the UK.

We already can shut down our borders completely. Parliament can pass the "Shutting Down the Borders Completely Act".

[DodgyAgent]

The good citizens of Malta must be panicking at the prospect of a population of 100 million. And what with open migration within the UK continuing even after Brexit, how will Surrey cope with a potential population of 10 to 20 million?

Maltas problem is that no one wants to go and live there so quite what they have to do with the UKs problem I do not know.

[DodgyAgent]

We already can shut down our borders completely. Parliament can pass the "Shutting Down the Borders Completely Act".

Really? and then get sued by the EU and all the EU citizens armed with their "rights" of free movement!

[Old Greg]

Really? and then get sued by the EU and all the EU citizens armed with their "rights" of free movement!

Sued in which court?