In or Out?

[TheFaQQer]

No different than any other EU state. The UK is not alone in the un-happyness.

The Italians are a good example of changing the EU where it suits them. A law is thrust upon them and they ignore it if it does not suit them.

Was it one of the French politicians that summed up the EU by saying that when they see a law they don't like coming, the French spend two years tweaking it to get the best deal, while the British spend two years whinging about how bad it will be.

Can't remember who it was that said it.

[seanraaron]

I'm pretty sure Spoonface has never stated that a "NO" majority would be binding on the Government to actually leave the EU.

In practice, it would simply give them a stronger mandate for re-negotiations, after which there would presumably be another referendum.

Surely whether or not that would be the case would depend on the strength of the anti-EU wingnuts in the Conservative Party? I mean Cameron would probably be out on his Arsenal regardless if he tried that, but he could easily be replaced by someone who will pull the trigger and split the UK from the EU if the balance of power has shifted.

[NotAllThere]

Was it one of the French politicians that summed up the EU by saying that when they see a law they don't like coming, the French spend two years tweaking it to get the best deal, while the British spend two years whinging about how bad it will be.....

Then when it comes to implementation the French ignore the downsides completely, while the British ensure they conform to every detail.

[DaveB]

Here is the voting record: Landing obligation - VoteWatch Europe

BTW, EFDD consists of kippers

Who mostly didn't bother voting or didn't turn up at all. Bet they still claimed their expenses though

Everyone else was pretty much in favour.

[TheFaQQer]

Yes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...p-20150702.pdf

Oi! This is General - what are you posting here with well-researched, factual, accurate responses???

[DaveB]

Oi! This is General - what are you posting here with well-researched, factual, accurate responses???

Sorry, got carried away....

[scooterscot]

Cameron secures leftover sandwiches for UK

Mash on queue as always

Cameron secures leftover sandwiches for UK

DAVID Cameron has negotiated a deal allowing Britain to keep any leftover sandwiches from EU meetings, he has announced.

Ministers attending EU discussions will now be allowed to collect uneaten sandwiches, crisps and items of fruit and take them home in a carrier bag for the British public to enjoy.

The prime miniser said: “Our total lack of progress on benefits and sovereignty is more than compensated for by our resounding success with sandwiches.

“Initially they were saying we could just have the tuna ones but I toughed it out and now we’ve got all the remaining flavours including prawns, which are the most expensive ingredient.

“I’ve vowed to keep fighting Britain’s corner in Brussels. Next time I’m going to demand we get a guaranteed share of mini satay chicken skewers, because those always get eaten first.

“Have a cheese and ham one before the pickle makes the bread go soggy.”

[scooterscot]

Was it one of the French politicians that summed up the EU by saying that when they see a law they don't like coming, the French spend two years tweaking it to get the best deal, while the British spend two years whinging about how bad it will be.

Can't remember who it was that said it.

It rings bell..

Bottom line, whiners don't make for winners. Just look at what happened to Scottish referendum.

[mudskipper]

A bit on the fence, but leaning towards 'out'.

[NickFitz]

I thought an out vote would be that - out. No negotiations.

Seriously? An "out" vote won't even mean "out" if the people (remember, corporations are people) who really count decide it's against their interests. And if they decide to play along, there'll be a lot of work to be done to ensure they somehow make even more money out of us than by staying in - which is the only reason they'll decide to play along.

You didn't really believe a Conservative government would allow the opinions of ordinary people to count for anything important, did you?