In or Out?

[oscarose]

So you are a failed refugee then?

Bob on

[DodgyAgent]

Bob on

[cojak]

De Gaulle had it about right... http://mercury.ethz.ch/serviceengine...GaulleVeto.pdf

[Addanc]

Did the EU budget audit ever get signed off?

In the papers the other day, rejected again now 21 years.

[Addanc]

The EU needs change, no doubt about that. That change will come if the UK leaves. But with the UK outside and a changing EU on your doorstep, one we've no control over whatsoever. We need to be part of the solution rather than running away from the problem. When someone holds a gun to your head you pull out a bigger one. That's the British way.

You have to be in it to reform rubbish has been spouted for forty years by UK politicians, they have managed to achieve exactly nothing with respect to reform.

[Addanc]

If we were to leave properly it would cost far more to renegotiate everything with the EU than any potential saving. But it won't happen because if we do leave we'll become part of the EFTA and pay exactly the same into the EU budget as we do now.

The current state of play is that the UK runs a large trade deficit with the rest of the EU, you negotiate a trade deal with that fact firmly in focus; watch the Germans bring the rest into line.

I believe I read the fact that we had run a surplus with the rest of the world for 18 consecutive months now. Other number to ponder when UK joined EU, the EU accounted for approx 35% of world GDP, it now accounts for approx 25% of world GDP, end of the decade it is expected to account for about 15% world GDP; flip that fact and 85% of the money will be outside the EU by the end of decade.

[Addanc]

Name one such law.

70% plus of our laws originate for EU directives (wasn't that a quote from a German minister?). For examples Milliband's climate legislation from the last Labour government originates from EU directives; the consequence of this was lots of useless windmills that have resulted in higher energy costs, that had the knock on effect that any industry that needs any serious amounts of power don't stand a cat in hells chance; steel industry

[DaveB]

70% plus of our laws originate for EU directives (wasn't that a quote from a German minister?). For examples Milliband's climate legislation from the last Labour government originates from EU directives; the consequence of this was lots of useless windmills that have resulted in higher energy costs, that had the knock on effect that any industry that needs any serious amounts of power don't stand a cat in hells chance; steel industry

Nope, not really.

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-w...influenced-eu/

Feel free to provide a link to some factual sources to support your claims.

[darmstadt]

In the papers the other day, rejected again now 21 years.

What this one: EU budget for 2016 - Consilium which states:

On 24 November 2015, the Council approved the 2016 EU budget deal agreed by the conciliation committee on 14 November. The EU budget for 2016 was adopted on 25 November 2015, when the European Parliament confirmed the agreement.

Or do you have a right wing media source linky?

[darmstadt]

The current state of play is that the UK runs a large trade deficit with the rest of the EU, you negotiate a trade deal with that fact firmly in focus; watch the Germans bring the rest into line.

I believe I read the fact that we had run a surplus with the rest of the world for 18 consecutive months now. Other number to ponder when UK joined EU, the EU accounted for approx 35% of world GDP, it now accounts for approx 25% of world GDP, end of the decade it is expected to account for about 15% world GDP; flip that fact and 85% of the money will be outside the EU by the end of decade.

70% plus of our laws originate for EU directives (wasn't that a quote from a German minister?). For examples Milliband's climate legislation from the last Labour government originates from EU directives; the consequence of this was lots of useless windmills that have resulted in higher energy costs, that had the knock on effect that any industry that needs any serious amounts of power don't stand a cat in hells chance; steel industry

Looks like we have a budding kipper on our hands