Finally.

[EternalOptimist]

CO2 raising the melting point of ice no doubt...

don't forget why pg hates Patrick Moore so much. The CO Founder of Greenpeace can confirm their role in getting DDT banned

[BlasterBates]

The Paris agreement is just simply the final chapter in the Climate debate, where everyone says we've now solved the problem and "told you so" but actually in reality nothing changes.

Paris climate change deal too weak to help poor, critics warn | Environment | The Guardian

He said the most notable outcome was the mechanism for five-yearly reviews of carbon targets, and agreement on the principle that countries should provide transparent accounts of how they reach those goals. But even these were “accompanied by language that could allow countries to maintain the status quo for years to come”.

What you'll see is just a few more wind farms, one or two solar cells, and a couple more electric cars....and that's it.

[pjclarke]

meanwhile, the ice is up

A similar caution applies to any material sourced from Tony Heller, aka Steve Goddard. Here's yet another graph:



The caption reads in bold red: The plot above replaces an earlier sea ice extent plot, that was based on data with the coastal zones masked out.

The old, obsolete plot being the one used by Goddard and EO.

Pasted from <http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php>

(I'm sure you pulled this trick before…)

[pjclarke]

don't forget why pg hates Patrick Moore so much. The CO Founder of Greenpeace can confirm their role in getting DDT banned

Rehabilitating Carson | Prospect Magazine

[LucidDementia]

A similar caution applies to any material sourced from Tony Heller, aka Steve Goddard.

But we can trust anything coming from the IPCC right? Because government funded organisations are always pillars of honesty with the best intentions towards mankind.

[EternalOptimist]

arctic ice is up
Antarctic ice is up
Polar bears are up


stop being such a denier pj

[NigelJK]

The next Ice Age is on the way (you saw it here first).

[DimPrawn]

The next Ice Age is on the way (you saw it here first).

Yep. Ice Age: Collision Course (2016) - IMDb

[DodgyAgent]

A similar caution applies to any material sourced from Tony Heller, aka Steve Goddard. Here's yet another graph:



The caption reads in bold red: The plot above replaces an earlier sea ice extent plot, that was based on data with the coastal zones masked out.

The old, obsolete plot being the one used by Goddard and EO.

Pasted from <http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php>

(I'm sure you pulled this trick before…)

More "ad hominen" attacks to deal with dissent

[pjclarke]

But we can trust anything coming from the IPCC right? Because government funded organisations are always pillars of honesty with the best intentions towards mankind.

You absolutely should not take anything from the IPCC at face value, you should read the summaries, and drill down into the chapters and references if you want to understand the lines of evidence that underpin their conclusions.

The Assessment Reports are basically literature reviews, anyone can be a reviewer, the early drafts and all comments are published online. This open process means in my view they are a good summary of the state of the science at the time YMMV.

Blog Science, by contrast the graph from the Greenland Ice core reproduced from Watts is demonstrably BS

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1854621

And DMI - the publishers of the graph from Steve Goddard - point out it is obsolete and readers should use the more accurate version, a detail that EO and Goddard either were unaware of or more likely, chose not to disclose.

Not sure there's much of an equivalence, really.