Muslims and terrorism, do they just accept it?

[NickFitz]

Very nice indeed. I hope the sentiment in the Muslim community is universal, 100%.

Because human beings are well known for achieving 100% consensus on matters

Don't pretend you can claim the moral high ground because people don't live up to an impossibly high standard that you set.

[PurpleGorilla]

Muslims and terrorism, do they just accept it?

Because human beings are well known for achieving 100% consensus on matters

Don't pretend you can claim the moral high ground because people don't live up to an impossibly high standard that you set.

I'm not claiming f all.

I am merely pointing out that it is not universal in the Muslim community that the acts of ISIS are abhorrent. And to pretend that really is the case is foolish. Why do you think HUNDREDS of arrests have been made in the last few days?

As for force, diplomacy comes first, via the UN. But we cannot turn a blind eye to unethical and immoral acts which exist in the ME and need to be changed in order to greater protect citizens of the ME. Things like torture evidence inadmissible. Giving freedom for women to choose their religion, job, relationships. Etc...

[lilelvis2000]

From the other day...

And that sorts the problem with 5% of Muslims in the UK?

[GlenW]

As there is some support amongst the UK's Muslim population for ISIS is it really going to reduce that support by attacking Muslim communities in the Middle-East? I think bombing attacks, that will kill innocent men, women and children, will only increase the level of support organisation like ISIS have here.

[lilelvis2000]

From the other day...

And that sorts the problem with 5% of Muslims in the UK?

[FatLazyContractor]

As there is some support amongst the UK's Muslim population for ISIS is it really going to reduce that support by attacking Muslim communities in the Middle-East? I think bombing attacks, that will kill innocent men, women and children, will only increase the level of support organisation like ISIS have here.

You referring to Keighley?

[Andy2]

I think majority of muslims remain silent because they know that islamic caliphate, sharia law spreading around the world etc is good for them and their relegion

[WTFH]

I'm not claiming f all.

I am merely pointing out that it is not universal in the Muslim community that the acts of ISIS are abhorrent. And to pretend that really is the case is foolish. Why do you think HUNDREDS of arrests have been made in the last few days?

As for force, diplomacy comes first, via the UN. But we cannot turn a blind eye to unethical and immoral acts which exist in the ME and need to be changed in order to greater protect citizens of the ME. Things like torture evidence inadmissible. Giving freedom for women to choose their religion, job, relationships. Etc...

Hold on, you're tying yourself in knots here... you say that ISIS are Muslims. Therefore a % of Muslims are in ISIS. To say that you want 100% of Muslims to reject something that <5% of them globally support is not going to happen mathematically.


Next, you claim torture evidence is inadmissible, so how do we deal with countries that support waterboarding?
How do we deal with people who insist that you should not be allowed the same rights if you are of a particular religion?
Why do we send £millions to some countries in the ME and sell them weapons, but turn a blind eye to how they treat their neighbours?


If you want to apply laws to one region of the world, you need to apply them to your own. Yes, you call that a "liberal" or "leftist" agenda. I call it fair.

[PurpleGorilla]

And that sorts the problem with 5% of Muslims in the UK?

What to do in the UK...

Well I would end this silly setup where if you have a petty criminal record as a youth it scars your future opportunities for life. Many of the Muslim communities in the UK are tough neighbourhoods, with lack of investment. Crime leads to social exclusion, leads to radicalisation. But I can't see the Tories spending money on the disadvantaged.

As for bombing ISIS, on selected target - as per JJ - it has its attractions, but I think widespread bombing is a mistake. Perhaps a coalition with Assad and the free army, and then a transitional change of government once ISIS are defeated.

But I do think fundamentally the collective blind eye of the west to human rights violations has to change, and to do that we need to starve ourself off ME oil and gas.

[DaveB]

I'm not claiming f all.

I am merely pointing out that it is not universal in the Muslim community that the acts of ISIS are abhorrent. And to pretend that really is the case is foolish. Why do you think HUNDREDS of arrests have been made in the last few days?

As for force, diplomacy comes first, via the UN. But we cannot turn a blind eye to unethical and immoral acts which exist in the ME and need to be changed in order to greater protect citizens of the ME. Things like torture evidence inadmissible. Giving freedom for women to choose their religion, job, relationships. Etc...

But if we do that where are the Americans going to send their prisoners to under rendition, so they can be tortured to get the infomration they want?

Who are we going to sell all those lovely guns to?