General election quandary

[SueEllen]

Interestingly enough I live in the first town in Germany to have voted in a Green majority (Stuttgart also now have one) and as far as I can see there is no difference between them and the previous right and left town councils. If anything they seem to be more right than left in that they put money into grandiose projects which have nothing to do with Green policies and help support their middle class supporters. Personally I think they're arrogant *******

You mean they are like the Lib Dems here? They decide which demographic will give them the most votes in an area and go for that.

[d000hg]

I agree that labour act as a necessary counterbalance to the Tories. I also believe that actions speak far louder than words. The people in this world who genuinely care about others just get on with caring. they do not talk about it or seek a political platform to supposedly do good. malcolm Rifkind and Jack straw two powerful politicians that appeared to have that combination of integrity and statesmanlike credibility have been proven to be nothing more than self seeking opportunists.

While I agree, if you can get others aware/engaged in a cause they can do far more than you can alone... just as someone starting a business can make more profit if they hire employees to scale their vision.

There are very few conviction politicians who put their cause above themselves (thatcher was one).
Because Greenism is so overtly designed to attack objects of envy and act as a conduit for every self loathing piece of bigotry no genuine caring person would commit to the acts of deceit that supposedly give it a base of moral integrity (an honest commie would simply say "communism is best" and argue its case accordingly, whereas these revolting greens shroud their bigotry by pretending to be representing the environment)

If people think for a minute that these politicians are in it for the general good of mankind then they are fools.

Ah, if we're talking Greenie politicians then maybe. People at grass roots level, I disagree. Many/most believe in the ideologies.

[TestMangler]

While I agree, if you can get others aware/engaged in a cause they can do far more than you can alone... just as someone starting a business can make more profit if they hire employees to scale their vision.

Ah, if we're talking Greenie politicians then maybe. People at grass roots level, I disagree. Many/most believe in the ideologies.

Most people at the grass roots level of a political party believe in what they are doing. Take the torys as an example. Retarded people like DA and Whinestrone think they are 'tories' because they've done relatively well financially (i.e better than your average worker) but the truth is the upper echelons of the party wouldn't piss in their mouths if their teeth caught fire.

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Most people at the grass roots level of a political party believe in what they are doing. Take the torys as an example. Retarded people like DA and Whinestrone think they are 'tories' because they've done relatively well financially (i.e better than your average worker) but the truth is the upper echelons of the party wouldn't piss in their mouths if their teeth caught fire.

That's rather a change from the 1970's ands 80's when allegedly many of the higher ups in the party were into such things....

[TestMangler]

That's rather a change from the 1970's ands 80's when allegedly many of the higher ups in the party were into such things....

I'm not saying the wouldn't still do it if the appropriate drugs, cash and champers were on offer.

[DodgyAgent]

Most people at the grass roots level of a political party believe in what they are doing. Take the torys as an example. Retarded people like DA and Whinestrone think they are 'tories' because they've done relatively well financially (i.e better than your average worker) but the truth is the upper echelons of the party wouldn't piss in their mouths if their teeth caught fire.

And you think labour are any different? the thing I like about being a Tory is I dont have a chip on my shoulder and I do not pretend that I am some caring liberal.

[TestMangler]

And you think labour are any different? the thing I like about being a Tory is I dont have a chip on my shoulder and I do not pretend that I am some caring liberal.

No, I don't think Labour are any different. I used you and the tories as an example because at least you have the decency to admit that you're a tory. I doubt anyone would admit to voting Labour

[DodgyAgent]

No, I don't think Labour are any different. I used you and the tories as an example because at least you have the decency to admit that you're a tory. I doubt anyone would admit to voting Labour

I am also a caring Tory because I once bought a contractor a drink and I wasn't even his agent
AND he never gave me any references

[TestMangler]

I am also a caring Tory because I once bought a contractor a drink and I wasn't even his agent
AND he never gave me any references

You expensed it though, eh ?

[ZARDOZ]

Nothing stopping you joining and supporting a lobby group. Sometimes the government listens and sometimes they don't though generally if the lobby group gets some of the media on side then MPs do.

By Lobby groups I mean big industry or Unions in the case of Labour. Take for example Fracking, what appears to be gov formulated policy has actually been heavily lobbied for and then dressed up in the usual way as jobs, consumer benefit and growth. They even employ PR comms companies to spin it to the media as something good. A well known one is owned by a Tory Peer who was prior to that a PPC their tag line is "Making sure the debate has a successful conclusion". What hope is there when it is so corrupt?