General election quandary

[pjclarke]

Excuses excuses it is pathetic

So you're not interested in facts?

[DodgyAgent]

Perhaps, though it is hard to picture someone bent on illegal acts being deterred from those acts simply because joining an organisation is 'banned'. And what you actually wrote is that the Greens support ISIS. That is untrue, and it is a smear.

Smear it may be but removing bans will make it easier for them to attract new members. it will also make it easier for them to coordinate rallies and just about everything else. in other words you are supporting them.

[darmstadt]

So you're not interested in facts?

Right ring rankers don't believe in facts, its a moral superiority thing, apparently

[pjclarke]

Smear it may be but removing bans will make it easier for them to attract new members. it will also make it easier for them to coordinate rallies and just about everything else. in other words you are supporting them.

No. I do hope you're not engaging in sophistry. Remember the quote is They support almost anything that is anti british culture , you are now redefining what you mean by that. For the last time, proposing policies which has the effect of unbanning an organisation (amongst others) does not mean you support the aims of that organisation. Just wordplay.

Given the mindset that seems to inform people attracted to ISIS, its arguable that State criminalisation of the organisation makes it more attractive to them, feeding their matyrdom complex ...

[DodgyAgent]

No. I do hope you're not engaging in sophistry. Remember the quote is They support almost anything that is anti british culture , you are now redefining what you mean by that. For the last time, proposing policies which has the effect of unbanning an organisation (amongst others) does not mean you support the aims of that organisation. Just wordplay.

Given the mindset that seems to inform people attracted to ISIS, its arguable that State criminalisation of the organisation makes it more attractive to them, feeding their matyrdom complex ...

I am not redefining what I mean by that. ISIS wish to destroy our freedoms, the Green party want to remove our military capability. they wish to remove the ideal of self reliance and freedom to engage in business with each other. I would imagine that private schools would be abolished and everywhere would be open to immigrants and therefore the erosion of the values of the British in particular in the countryside.

[DodgyAgent]

Right ring rankers don't believe in facts, its a moral superiority thing, apparently

What PJ Clarke has said are not facts they are judgements

[pjclarke]

I am not redefining what I mean by that. ISIS wish to destroy our freedoms, the Green party want to remove our military capability. they wish to remove the ideal of self reliance and freedom to engage in business with each other. I would imagine that private schools would be abolished and everywhere would be open to immigrants and therefore the erosion of the values of the British in particular in the countryside.

You have an overactive imagination.

[darmstadt]

Interestingly enough I live in the first town in Germany to have voted in a Green majority (Stuttgart also now have one) and as far as I can see there is no difference between them and the previous right and left town councils. If anything they seem to be more right than left in that they put money into grandiose projects which have nothing to do with Green policies and help support their middle class supporters. Personally I think they're arrogant *******

[DodgyAgent]

You have an overactive imagination.

No I have read some of your manifesto

Defend the right of citizens to a family life. New UK
government rules require that in order to have a spouse
from a non-EU country move to the UK to live with you,
you have to be wealthy. This is an attack on love and on
family life and we will continue to fight it.
• Continue to oppose moves to introduce a ‘barrier round
Europe’ to stop the arrival of non-Europeans.
• Support moves to protect those who have been trafficked
into Europe, rather than victimising them further.
• Oppose the detention of migrants

On defence

Move away from the militarisation of the EU.
• Support the creation of a European Peace Corps to allow
for civilian peace-building and disaster response efforts at
times of crisis.
• Ban weapons of mass destruction from the EU, including
France and Britain’s nuclear weapons.
• Ban landmines and cluster bombs from the EU.
• Oppose the establishment of an EU military drones
program.
• End the ongoing militarisation of the EU. A union that was
established in part to prevent future wars should not be in
the business of establishing its own army.
• End any EU funding for research for military purposes.

And no doubt we will be "persuaded" that its policies are right by:

Enhanced public education and awareness initiatives in
support of demand reduction strategies.

[pjclarke]

No I have read some of your manifesto

Defend the right of citizens to a family life. New UK
government rules require that in order to have a spouse
from a non-EU country move to the UK to live with you,
you have to be wealthy. This is an attack on love and on
family life and we will continue to fight it.
• Continue to oppose moves to introduce a ‘barrier round
Europe’ to stop the arrival of non-Europeans.
• Support moves to protect those who have been trafficked
into Europe, rather than victimising them further.
• Oppose the detention of migrants

On defence

Move away from the militarisation of the EU.
• Support the creation of a European Peace Corps to allow
for civilian peace-building and disaster response efforts at
times of crisis.
• Ban weapons of mass destruction from the EU, including
France and Britain’s nuclear weapons.
• Ban landmines and cluster bombs from the EU.
• Oppose the establishment of an EU military drones
program.
• End the ongoing militarisation of the EU. A union that was
established in part to prevent future wars should not be in
the business of establishing its own army.
• End any EU funding for research for military purposes.

And no doubt we will be "persuaded" that its policies are right by:

Enhanced public education and awareness initiatives in
support of demand reduction strategies.

Its not 'my' manifesto, nor is it the Green Party manifesto for this election, it looks to me like one for the EU elections last year. You should Google a little harder. Which would explain the lack of a mention of private schools, abolishing the UK armed forces, or UK immigration controls.



Bye!