Who should represent 'bigots'?

[Zero Liability]

No, I make a habit of not reading the DM altogether. Point being, he did not have to wait until he was suspended to leave if he disliked Ukip that much, so yes, it does scream of self-serving mudslinging, though I've no idea what the Tories think they're gaining by doing this.

[darmstadt]

So you slag off the DM until it suits you?

Farage had suspended him prior to his defection.

Do the tories really need this liability or is this part of a mud slinging match?

Do get too caught up in this please.

No, I make a habit of not reading the DM altogether. Point being, he did not have to wait until he was suspended to leave if he disliked Ukip that much, so yes, it does scream of self-serving mudslinging, though I've no idea what the Tories think they're gaining by doing this.

Was he suspended first and did he defect first?

Roger Helmer admits, on camera, that the official UKIP line on Bashir is nonsense. At the beginning of the C4 interview, he says Bashir was suspended before he left for the Tories; but at about 1:43, he admits that Bashir "jumped before he was pushed".

BTW, take everything this person says with a grain of salt as well. For example he's now totally against TTIP yet last year he voted for it (UKIP policy has done a 100% turnaround on this awful piece of possible future EU legislation!)

[Zero Liability]

No matter, cast iron Dave will lead the way to victory.

[DodgyAgent]

It is quite pathetic that there are so many shrill pious voices out there getting so worked up about comments made within circumstances that no one has bothered to understand. Just as I have said in the past "all contractors are t*wats" . One would think that I therefore hate contractors. the fact is I have said it in jest to contractors. If someone would say to me all recruitment agents are spivvy (funnily the occasional contractor has in fact said this ) bigots I would reply that even spivvy bigots deserve a job opportunity.

So if one of you could explain what you think was meant by these comments then do enlighten yes. The other question is if these bigots are suddenly going to vote UKIP then where were they voting before this election? Are the mainstream parties going to own up to being populated by bigots in the past?

[xoggoth]

As DA said. Maybe people should not comment on specific issues, not expand them to make general points anyway, without knowing what the facts are and none of us know the details here.

Slightly off topic, but I don't know why some suggest the DM supports UKIP. It is a Tory paper that rarely misses a chance to publish UKIP bashing material. It is The Daily Express that is UKIP supporting and, generally, much more sensible. (Apart from their support of royalty obviously)

[xoggoth]

It's only Wikipedia but I note that Bashir was once also deselected as a Respect candidate with Galloway claimed that he had "no real political principles or commitment ... only naked opportunism and self-interest" If a lefty like Galloway agrees with a righty like Farage maybe there is summit in it. Note it has been referred to police. Wait and see.

[d000hg]

Bigots' votes are as important as anybody's so trying to get the "bigot vote" could be worthwhile.

[xoggoth]

Bigots' votes are as important as anybody's

Indeed, and so they should be. There's no democracy if "bigots", as arbitrarily defined by the other side, are excluded. Some environmentalists, anti-capitalist groups, No Borders or UAF are equally bigoted and frequently violent, refusing to consider any other viewpoints or the downsides of their policies for others, but they never get cast as bigots.

Ignoring "extreme" viewpoints impacts the centre too because extremists also vote for or force reasonable policies. Without UKIP the other parties would not be proposing more sensible policies on the EU or immigration. If you have a normal distribution of views on any issue and chop off one end, you skew the result in a way that affects the moderates on that side.

More importantly, those cast as bigots on the immigration debate have reality on their side. because they are expressing natural human instincts and you cannot ignore those if you want society to work. Look back in our history or anywhere around the world and serious cultural differences in juxtaposition have usually caused conflicts and tensions.

[vetran]

It's only Wikipedia but I note that Bashir was once also deselected as a Respect candidate with Galloway claimed that he had "no real political principles or commitment ... only naked opportunism and self-interest" If a lefty like Galloway agrees with a righty like Farage maybe there is summit in it. Note it has been referred to police. Wait and see.

oh pot & kettle blimey anyone Galloway finds unprincipled isn't much of a catch. That's a bit like Russell Brand saying 'they have the libido of a sewer rat'.

[darmstadt]

As DA said. Maybe people should not comment on specific issues, not expand them to make general points anyway, without knowing what the facts are and none of us know the details here.

Slightly off topic, but I don't know why some suggest the DM supports UKIP. It is a Tory paper that rarely misses a chance to publish UKIP bashing material. It is The Daily Express that is UKIP supporting and, generally, much more sensible. (Apart from their support of royalty obviously)

Corrrect. The publisher, Richard 'Porno' Desmond made a donation of GBP300,000 to them as well as apponting Ukip peer Lord Stevens as deputy chairman and Ukip appointing Patrick O’Flynn of The Daily Express, as its new director of communications.

It's only Wikipedia but I note that Bashir was once also deselected as a Respect candidate with Galloway claimed that he had "no real political principles or commitment ... only naked opportunism and self-interest" If a lefty like Galloway agrees with a righty like Farage maybe there is summit in it. Note it has been referred to police. Wait and see.

I made this point above: http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post2047618