Reply to: Who should represent 'bigots'?

[darmstadt]

As DA said. Maybe people should not comment on specific issues, not expand them to make general points anyway, without knowing what the facts are and none of us know the details here.

Slightly off topic, but I don't know why some suggest the DM supports UKIP. It is a Tory paper that rarely misses a chance to publish UKIP bashing material. It is The Daily Express that is UKIP supporting and, generally, much more sensible. (Apart from their support of royalty obviously)

Corrrect. The publisher, Richard 'Porno' Desmond made a donation of GBP300,000 to them as well as apponting Ukip peer Lord Stevens as deputy chairman and Ukip appointing Patrick O’Flynn of The Daily Express, as its new director of communications.

It's only Wikipedia but I note that Bashir was once also deselected as a Respect candidate with Galloway claimed that he had "no real political principles or commitment ... only naked opportunism and self-interest" If a lefty like Galloway agrees with a righty like Farage maybe there is summit in it. Note it has been referred to police. Wait and see.

I made this point above: http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post2047618

[vetran]

It's only Wikipedia but I note that Bashir was once also deselected as a Respect candidate with Galloway claimed that he had "no real political principles or commitment ... only naked opportunism and self-interest" If a lefty like Galloway agrees with a righty like Farage maybe there is summit in it. Note it has been referred to police. Wait and see.

oh pot & kettle blimey anyone Galloway finds unprincipled isn't much of a catch. That's a bit like Russell Brand saying 'they have the libido of a sewer rat'.

[xoggoth]

Bigots' votes are as important as anybody's

Indeed, and so they should be. There's no democracy if "bigots", as arbitrarily defined by the other side, are excluded. Some environmentalists, anti-capitalist groups, No Borders or UAF are equally bigoted and frequently violent, refusing to consider any other viewpoints or the downsides of their policies for others, but they never get cast as bigots.

Ignoring "extreme" viewpoints impacts the centre too because extremists also vote for or force reasonable policies. Without UKIP the other parties would not be proposing more sensible policies on the EU or immigration. If you have a normal distribution of views on any issue and chop off one end, you skew the result in a way that affects the moderates on that side.

More importantly, those cast as bigots on the immigration debate have reality on their side. because they are expressing natural human instincts and you cannot ignore those if you want society to work. Look back in our history or anywhere around the world and serious cultural differences in juxtaposition have usually caused conflicts and tensions.

[d000hg]

Bigots' votes are as important as anybody's so trying to get the "bigot vote" could be worthwhile.

[xoggoth]

It's only Wikipedia but I note that Bashir was once also deselected as a Respect candidate with Galloway claimed that he had "no real political principles or commitment ... only naked opportunism and self-interest" If a lefty like Galloway agrees with a righty like Farage maybe there is summit in it. Note it has been referred to police. Wait and see.

[xoggoth]

As DA said. Maybe people should not comment on specific issues, not expand them to make general points anyway, without knowing what the facts are and none of us know the details here.

Slightly off topic, but I don't know why some suggest the DM supports UKIP. It is a Tory paper that rarely misses a chance to publish UKIP bashing material. It is The Daily Express that is UKIP supporting and, generally, much more sensible. (Apart from their support of royalty obviously)

[DodgyAgent]

It is quite pathetic that there are so many shrill pious voices out there getting so worked up about comments made within circumstances that no one has bothered to understand. Just as I have said in the past "all contractors are t*wats" . One would think that I therefore hate contractors. the fact is I have said it in jest to contractors. If someone would say to me all recruitment agents are spivvy (funnily the occasional contractor has in fact said this ) bigots I would reply that even spivvy bigots deserve a job opportunity.

So if one of you could explain what you think was meant by these comments then do enlighten yes. The other question is if these bigots are suddenly going to vote UKIP then where were they voting before this election? Are the mainstream parties going to own up to being populated by bigots in the past?

[Zero Liability]

No matter, cast iron Dave will lead the way to victory.

[darmstadt]

So you slag off the DM until it suits you?

Farage had suspended him prior to his defection.

Do the tories really need this liability or is this part of a mud slinging match?

Do get too caught up in this please.

No, I make a habit of not reading the DM altogether. Point being, he did not have to wait until he was suspended to leave if he disliked Ukip that much, so yes, it does scream of self-serving mudslinging, though I've no idea what the Tories think they're gaining by doing this.

Was he suspended first and did he defect first?

Roger Helmer admits, on camera, that the official UKIP line on Bashir is nonsense. At the beginning of the C4 interview, he says Bashir was suspended before he left for the Tories; but at about 1:43, he admits that Bashir "jumped before he was pushed".

BTW, take everything this person says with a grain of salt as well. For example he's now totally against TTIP yet last year he voted for it (UKIP policy has done a 100% turnaround on this awful piece of possible future EU legislation!)

[Zero Liability]

No, I make a habit of not reading the DM altogether. Point being, he did not have to wait until he was suspended to leave if he disliked Ukip that much, so yes, it does scream of self-serving mudslinging, though I've no idea what the Tories think they're gaining by doing this.

[turbowoowoo]

So you slag off the DM until it suits you?

Farage had suspended him prior to his defection.

Do the tories really need this liability or is this part of a mud slinging match?

Do get too caught up in this please.

[Zero Liability]

To be fair, Bashir is hardly a paragon of loyalty or stability. One minute he is Labour, then Tory, then UKIP, now Tory again and Cameron thinks he is a 'catch'? He'll be a Green next week.

The fact that he now suddenly has all these "issues" with Ukip makes me wonder why he didn't defect earlier, of his own free will. Naturally, he is just towing the Tory line now since his career in politics would be pretty much wrecked if they did not have him. Media representation of most issues tends to be divorced from reality and blown out of all proportion, particularly with regard to political parties they're not fond of, and I think Farage's explanation of Richardson's comment is sensible. Whereas, they'd have a very hard time defending anything Mr Bashir is alleged to have gotten up to, and I am quite surprised that the Tories have taken him in.

[darmstadt]

To be fair, Bashir is hardly a paragon of loyalty or stability. One minute he is Labour, then Tory, then UKIP, now Tory again and Cameron thinks he is a 'catch'? He'll be a Green next week.

He's already done Respect: Bashir was de-selected by Respect : The Respect Party – Peace, Justice & Equality. Still doesn't beat Winston McKenzie: Winston McKenzie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Kippers...choppers and changers It shows that they're not really serious about peopel, more about getting a position of power for themselves

[ArthurBigot]

and what's wrong with Bigots?
All you nappy wearing,limp wristed liberals afraid to express any opinion for fear of saying something contentious

[tractor]

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Nigel is foraging for attention again - brought to you by DailMail -

"Nigel Farage today defended a Ukip official who said it was the party of 'bigots' as he was left reeling from the defection of a top MEP to the Conservatives.

The Ukip leader hit out at the party's former communities spokesman Amjad Bashir after his defection to join David Cameron's party.

But he refused to condemn Ukip party secretary Matthew Richardson saying that Ukip should represent 'bigots' and labelling the NHS a 'waste of money'."

Nigel Farage defends top aide who said Ukip should represent 'bigots' | Daily Mail Online

Talking of which - who is the best to represent CUK bigots?

Enquiring minds want to know.

To be fair, Bashir is hardly a paragon of loyalty or stability. One minute he is Labour, then Tory, then UKIP, now Tory again and Cameron thinks he is a 'catch'? He'll be a Green next week.