Rehabilitation of Offenders

[GlenW]

FFS Just go to the Quayside in Newcastle any Friday or Saturday night, getting shagged by someone you never met before whilst pissed out of your mind is expected behaviour for most Geordie lasses.

HTH

[sartois]

Jesus - I guess this is why people like Ched are ending up in jail. This isn't new legislation - if someone is not deemed in a state to legally consent then you're raping them. Proving it is obviously much harder, but that's the crux.

I think this is the problem with this conviction... 2 people were accused of rape. She is deemed to have been coherent enough to consent to the first one, and without consuming any additional alcohol she was deemed too drunk to consent to the second one. I don't think there is adequate proof in this case.

[vwdan]

I think this is the problem with this conviction... 2 people were accused of rape. She is deemed to have been coherent enough to consent to the first one, and without consuming any additional alcohol she was deemed too drunk to consent to the second one. I don't think there is adequate proof in this case.

Ah, but she met and knowingly went to the hotel with Number 1. Number 2 rocked up later on - that seems to be the crux of it all. Did you read the whole appeal - they spoke about this there.

[AtW]

No, **** off.

Why not?

Had I answered first your question then would you say the same?

[vwdan]

Why not?

Had I answered first your question then would you say the same?

I didn't think you'd answer and I didn't care either - your question was so silly that it deserved to be ignored. My question was also, deliberately, silly because the facts of the case don't change just because you're related to someone or not. It's pretty clear your opinion would be very different - but then that's why we don't ask the immediate family to sit on the jury or pass the sentence.

[AtW]

I didn't think you'd answer

But if I answer it with all honestly then you'd do, in good faith, the same to answer my question?

[d000hg]

No, he hasn't. He has served half his time (Or whatever the exact maths may be) and has been gifted the privilege of serving the rest outside of prison on license. He his still a convicted criminal and is still within the justice system - to say he has served his time completed his punishment is a total misnomer.

True or false, people released in this way are allowed to work?

[sartois]

Ah, but she met and knowingly went to the hotel with Number 1. Number 2 rocked up later on - that seems to be the crux of it all. Did you read the whole appeal - they spoke about this there.

Yeah I've read the whole thing... still not enough for me though to be honest. Then again there is also stuff that wasn't presented to the jury such as the 'when I win big' tweets that the victim posted shortly after the events that maybe also sway my opinion.

[vetran]

When he arrived at the room it was immediately apparent to him that
McDonald and the complainant were engaged in enthusiastic consensual sex. When she was
asked if the applicant could join in, the complainant clearly replied "Yes". McDonald stopped.
The complainant asked the applicant to perform oral sex on her. He did so and then they had
sexual intercourse. Throughout all the activities with him she was enthusiastic, wide awake and
she consented to everything that happened. He agreed that he had left the hotel using the fire
exit.
17. The expert called by the defence calculated that the complainant's likely blood-alcohol level
at about 4am would have approximated to something like 2½ times the legal driving limit. He
gave evidence that she would have suffered from slurred speech and unsteadiness of gait, but he
would not have expected any memory loss. It was an essential part of his expert evidence that
there were significant doubts about the claim made by the complainant that she had suffered a
memory loss. In effect, it was suggested that her assertion was false.

Doubt?

[vwdan]

True or false, people released in this way are allowed to work?

Yes. And employers are allowed to say no. And the public are allowed to protest.