Good job they will pay our pensions.

[SueEllen]

Immigrants are almost all young and make virtually no demand on the NHS. The reason you may have had to wait a bit longer for an appointment is because a greater proportion of the population are over 80.

You forgot to add - "where you live".

[vetran]

Well I've never been back to the UK for any treatment in the last 25 years nor do any of the Brits that I know have. In fact why should I: Euro health consumer index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I also know that I pay a hell of a lot of tax, quite possibly more than you...



But as you're not single:



In fact you can work out your taxes here for different countries: Germany - Income tax on employees -Your Europe

Money. You have to pay for many health services abroad you may not take advantage of it but others certainly do.

So you pay more tax in Germany as we are talking about immigration and tax take in the UK then its rather irrelevant.

[BlasterBates]

I never said that, read my post

We would have dealt with that as it came up, quite possibly by reorganising and becoming more efficient. You know many people are working longer into their 70s?

Please explain why TB, HIV and other diseases have climbed and maternity units are overflowing with recently arrived mothers who don't speak English.

ah I didn't realise so you're a woman, and you were at the maternity clinic?

[vetran]

ah I didn't realise so you're a woman, and you were at the maternity clinic?

No my wife was and so were some of her friends we tend to visit good friends who have newborns round our way.

[zemoxyl]

UK net migration rises above 2010 level

Tories is as Labour does.
Today's Grauniad.

Carlos Vargas-Silva, of Oxford University’s Migration Observatory, said: “The government’s own data showed in 2011 that their policies were not expected to reduce immigration by enough to hit the target. So, we have been watching a result that we have expected for three years unfold in slow motion.

[BlasterBates]

British TB cases on the rise | Daily Mail Online

Cases of TB in Britain have hit their highest level for 15 years

So we had just as many TB cases in 1999, when there were less immigrants.

Proportionally we have less TB than in 1999

interesting....

[vetran]

British TB cases on the rise | Daily Mail Online



So we had just as many TB cases in 1999, when there were less immigrants.

Proportionally we have less TB than in 1999

interesting....

indeed, however the numbers are very small so its easy for large variations to happen. but at £60,000 per some patients its a lot of money.

but there is no doubt that it was driven by immigration. And being the highest level in Europe is not something to be proud of.

Last year, there were 6,143 cases reported - 56 per cent in people not born here - compared to 2,141 in 1984, says a report by the British Lung Foundation. London has more victims than any other European city.

Treatment for the worst drug-resistant cases costs the NHS more than £60,000 per patient. The disease, which was the scourge of the Victorian age, is said to be making a comeback because of complacency and lack of medical staff to trace victims and offer prompt treatment.

Slightly more up to date information here, it looks like it spreads in some communities and there is probably a lag on teh figures.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...4_0_300914.pdf

Tuberculosis case reports, 2004-2013
Key messages
 a total of 7,892 cases of TB were notified in the UK in 2013, an incidence of 12.3/100,000
 overall numbers of TB cases in the UK have declined 11.6% in the past two years, due to a
small decline in numbers and rates in the non-UK born population
 overall numbers and rates in the UK born population have not declined in the past decade,
although rates in the UK born population under 15 years have reduced in the past five
years
 as in previous years, almost three quarters of TB cases (73%) occurred among people
born outside the UK; only 15% of these were recent migrants (diagnosed within two years
of entering the UK)
 TB remains concentrated in the most deprived populations; in 2013, 70% of cases were
resident in the 40% most deprived areas, nearly half (44%) of cases were not in
employment and 10% had at least one social risk factor (history of alcohol or drug misuse,
homelessness or imprisonment)
 more than a quarter (28%) of patients with pulmonary TB started treatment more than four
months after symptom onset, and the proportion of cases with a delay of more than four
months has increased slightly in the past 3 years

[BlasterBates]

indeed, however the numbers are very small so its easy for large variations to happen. but at £60,000 per some patients its a lot of money.

but there is no doubt that it was driven by immigration. And being the highest level in Europe is not something to be proud of.





Slightly more up to date information here, it looks like it spreads in some communities and there is probably a lag on teh figures.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...4_0_300914.pdf

The evolving epidemiology in high-income countries is driven mostly by migration of individuals from countries with a high burden of disease, such as sub-Saharan Africa and the Indian subcontinent,

i.e. they don't come via the EU.

Are we indignant about EU immigrants or just those from India and Africa?

[SueEllen]

Please explain why TB, HIV and other diseases have climbed and maternity units are overflowing with recently arrived mothers who don't speak English.

You are aware that successive governments have cut back maternity and other services over the years? In fact where I live they were talking about closing down my local hospital's maternity unit or another local hospital's while were near the beginning of this current baby boom.

So you are blaming immigrants for successive governments poor infrastructure planning.

In fact in West London they closed down one of the local A&Es ignoring advice that it would impact all the other hospitals there and increase waiting times and the DM amongst others have found it has.

[BlasterBates]

In the UK, treatment of a typical case of tuberculosis is estimated to cost £5000;

The £60000 is the exception and immigrants are now being screened.

Incidentally the number of cases is now dropping, and it is prevalent in the homeless and illegal immigrants, so unlikely that foreign professionals staffing the NHS are spreading it.