Originally posted by The Spartan
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Apart from the fact that the majority of them are of pensionable age and require a working NHS, care, services, etc. So if you send all those young migrants back who are currently providing these services, as it doesn't seem likely the locals want to do them, then who will provide these services?“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.” -
of courseOriginally posted by darmstadt View Post
1. do we let it continue at its current historic high? - NO!
If we do then what effects will it have on services and social cohesion? - Very negative
2. Should we have a control over who we let in? - YES
If we don't how do we deal with the less desirable ones? - - We wrap them in cuddly wool and hope they don't hurt us, that seems to be the current strategy. We are allowing anyone in there are many very damaged individuals coming here to escape conflict or their past whilst they are likely to be a minority its a bigger percentage than the general population.
3. How do we integrate recent migrants - difficult but I suggest that we take a fairly hard line and provide a framework of 'UK values' that people who want to live in the UK obey.
4 how do we supply services to meet the demand? We need to make sure enough people pay enough tax to pay for it and we implement it effectively.
5. do the sums add up will the migrants pay for themselves completely including in work benefits and displacement? Ignoring those migrants that would have got in anyway via a visa. I don't believe if you exclude the migrants with significant existing wealth or who would have got in via a visa that the remaining people depending on freedom of movement or illegal migration earn enough to pay for themselves.
6. do we have any clue how many migrants there are? - not a scooby.
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I think you're just generalising here, if they're of pensionable age then they'll bring back their money with them which is not a bad thing. OK so they may need treatment but seeing as they've more than likely worked their whole lives up to retirement they've obviously earned it.Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
So I'm guessing you know all the locals do you?In Scooter we trust
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NHS is the best health care system in the world
It certainly wouldn't function without a large number of immigrants.
http://http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/26/nhs-foreign-nationals-immigration-health-service
Cutting immigration would make the health system worse not better.I'm alright JackComment
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Very true, but this is where controlled migration comes into play as you can be more selective about it. At present it's really hard to get into the UK if you're Filippino yet the quality care provided by Filippino nurses is absolutely stellar and I saw this first hand when my Grandfather was ill before he passed.Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
Obviously I'm also biased as I have Filippino heritage
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They just happen to be right which is why they are smeared as being right wing by lefties.Originally posted by SueEllen View PostLet us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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More immigrants to work in the health service more dependents who rely on it. It is a self perpetuating circle. The answer is to tear the left away from controlling the state services that deliver millions of people into the world who are unsuitable for working.Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostLet us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Ah yes the NHS would fail if we stopped immigration argument. Its so obviously wrong!Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
Stop and ask yourself what would have happened if we hadn't had ANY immigration. Would the NHS have a large percentage of immigrants working for it in the first place? Would we need so many staff as there would be proportionally fewer patients?
They stole nurses from other and frequently poorer countries because they were cheaper than training our own, they are doing the same with Doctors.
NHS hires record number of Spanish and Portuguese nurses while refusing Britons because of slashed training budgets | Daily Mail Online
BBC News - Southampton MP says not enough English nurses are being trained
So some could say immigration has ruined the NHS because without immigration the costs of language barriers would disappear and some infectious diseases that are making a comeback would be almost non existent.
No one is suggesting we send all the immigrants home, so controlling immigration would just force us to train our own NHS staff not cause the death of the NHS, if we cut immigration will all the immigrant and immigrant children instantly give up their jobs in the NHS?.
Its taken 10-50 years to make the NHS dependent on immigration it will take a similar amount of time to change it back but we have a grace period until current workers retire so lets start training UK nationals right away.
And of course we aren't proposing stopping immigration just controlling it.Comment
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You are petrified of losing your precious gravy train of low tax high rate workOriginally posted by BlasterBates View Post
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FTFYOriginally posted by DodgyAgent View Post“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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