Can you be a virtuous nonce?

[SueEllen]

That didn't sound very believable. I imagine they're including for example a 15 year old girl who has sex with her 16 year old boyfriend, or maybe even every underage teenager who has sex.

Underage teenagers are legally allowed to have sex with other underage teenagers so won't be counted in those statistics unless the sexual act was one of abuse. The law changed in the early 2000s.

And yes you can get pre-teen and teenage sexual abusers. There have been some horrible news stories lately.

[tractor]

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Apparently sleeping with Brillo turns straight women gay keeps your parts shiny and new.

FTFY

[mudskipper]

She didn't say reported cases.

Maybe I'm just naive, but if 1 in 6 children (and 1 in 4 girls) have been abused then we probably all know several people that were. The other slightly unpallettable conclusion is that if abuse is that widespread, then the vast majority of victims must have been able to shrug it off without being emotionally and psychologically traumatised. And that's not a good message.

I know several people who have been victims.

I've told the story of the guy who groped and kissed me and my sister when we were walking back from Brownies. 'Assault' seems a strong term, but I guess that's what it was. He was certainly a sick individual. It would certainly be included in the stats had I been asked. It didn't leave either of us traumatised for more than a few days. I suspect most kids who have similar one off relatively minor experiences when they're too young to really understand what's going on aren't affected long term.

[OwlHoot]

The police officer seemed to think it was a massive and growing problem as he put it "we haven't even got in the boat to look at the tip of the Iceberg",

Twenty years ago many social workers, and a few police officers, were convinced ritual satanic abuse was rampant throughout the UK.

But despite tens of millions of pounds being spent investigating this, and several prosecutions, and literally dozens of Government reports, no convincing evidence of this type of abuse was ever found nor a single person ever convicted.

In fact I think some of the kids drawn into the investigations later sued the witchfinde^D concerned officials.

[ZARDOZ]

I liked to believe it's not as bad as they were making out. But it really wouldn't surprise me to find out there were more sickos out there than one might expect.

[BrilloPad]

I liked to believe it's not as bad as they were making out. But it really wouldn't surprise me to find out there were more sickos out there than one might expect.

Thats my take on it too. I noted that recently there are not enough police to prosecute all those downloading underage pron.

On the counter side I first thought that Jimmy Savile was going to be people sullying his name when he could not defend himself. Then I thought it would be a few cases. I was proved to be badly wrong.

[ZARDOZ]

Thats my take on it too. I noted that recently there are not enough police to prosecute all those downloading underage pron.

On the counter side I first thought that Jimmy Savile was going to be people sullying his name when he could not defend himself. Then I thought it would be a few cases. I was proved to be badly wrong.

Notice Harmen and her links to PIE was featuring again. After her refusal to appologise you have to wonder what her (and her husband's) real views on the subject are, and what they got up to in the 70s. I also notice, that so far, all the Elm Guest house rumours are proving to be true.

[VectraMan]

The police officer seemed to think it was a massive and growing problem as he put it "we haven't even got in the boat to look at the tip of the Iceberg", especially since the availability of the internet is maybe bringing out those who suppressed their urges. It's quite possible that some of this (1 in 4) includes online grooming here no real life contact is made, but that is still something to be concerned about especially when you hear recently that they have already identified more people than they have time to prosecute.

Indeed but that does support the hypothesis that many if not most are "virtuous" and would never actually go through with harming a child. Most people would never put a brick through HMV's window, but the anonymity of the internet means millions steal music, so perhaps it's similar in that many might indulge their fantasy by looking at pictures or even internet chatting to someone calling themselves Beckie 13 (who may just as likely be some other perv who likes pretending to be a 13 year old girl) all the time telling themselves they're not *really* hurting anyone.

[MaryPoppins]

so perhaps it's similar in that many might indulge their fantasy by looking at pictures....all the time telling themselves they're not *really* hurting anyone.

But someone, somewhere is hurting someone to ensure these images can be viewed. [I'm not saying that you dispute that]. It's scary to think how much of it is out there.

A guy I went to college with was put on the register for downloading illegal images, and was of the very firm opinion that because 'he' hadn't hurt anyone, he had been treated unjustly.

[d000hg]

But someone, somewhere is hurting someone to ensure these images can be viewed. [I'm not saying that you dispute that]. It's scary to think how much of it is out there.

A guy I went to college with was put on the register for downloading illegal images, and was of the very firm opinion that because 'he' hadn't hurt anyone, he had been treated unjustly.

But are people being harmed to create those images, or were they being harmed for the fun of it at the time and the pictures were a 'memento'? i.e. would those children have been harmed regardless? Is this an area people are making money from or is it all 'enthusiasts sharing photos'?

I would damn sure prefer pedos looked at disgusting porn to sate their urges than went looking to do it for real, but whether it works that way I have no idea.