Once sentenced, jailed and released - is your debt to society over?

[SueEllen]

what will you say if he wins his appeal?

He's appealed once already.

Also some people have won their appeals but received no compensation simply because while they weren't guilty it doesn't mean they were innocent.

[jmo21]

I agree with the premise of rehabilitation.

Private companies can pick and choose who they want to hire.

It should be the best person for the job.

This is not necessarily always the most skilled person.

How well will the person mesh with the existing team (I don't mean football team here, but it of course works for them as well).

How would any woman feel working next to a convicted rapist, albeit having paid his debt to society. How would you feel to see your wife/mother/daughter have to do that.

It's not illegal (hiring someone like Ched Evans), and indeed it is admirable to try to help rehabilitate someone who has served his time, but the bigger argument of "should you hire him" wins for me. Quite easily actually.

[d000hg]

Are you currently allowed to discriminate based on past criminal record - I assume the answer is yes?

[BrilloPad]

I agree with the premise of rehabilitation.

Private companies can pick and choose who they want to hire.

It should be the best person for the job.

This is not necessarily always the most skilled person.

How well will the person mesh with the existing team (I don't mean football team here, but it of course works for them as well).

How would any woman feel working next to a convicted rapist, albeit having paid his debt to society. How would you feel to see your wife/mother/daughter have to do that.

It's not illegal (hiring someone like Ched Evans), and indeed it is admirable to try to help rehabilitate someone who has served his time, but the bigger argument of "should you hire him" wins for me. Quite easily actually.

As a fotballer he is in the public eye and kids look up to and respect him.

That alone should make him unfit for the job.

[NotAllThere]

He's appealed once already.

Also some people have won their appeals but received no compensation simply because while they weren't guilty their conviction was unsafe it doesn't mean they were innocent.

FTFY.

[DodgyAgent]

BBC News - What should happen to a released rapist?

As the petition put it: "To even consider reinstating him as a player... is a deep insult to the woman who was raped and to all women like her who have suffered at the hands of a rapist. The clear message to young boys and men is that you will be forgiven for this crime."

Is this right or wrong?

how can anyone really answer this? he has done his sentence, yet he is a role model. He does not show remorse because he believes he is innocent so why should he show remorse? She was off her face so did he cynically take the opportunity? or did she exploit the situation to harness her regret? How on earth can we judge?

[SueEllen]

Are you currently allowed to discriminate based on past criminal record - I assume the answer is yes?

You are if the conviction is not spent.

You are if you work in a lot of professions ranging from teacher, accountant, doctor etc. Even if you just worked in a bank as a teller if you have a conviction for shop lifting then you won't be hired again.

Someone convicted of a sexual offence can't be DBS cleared so can't work directly with children, the disabled or elderly. This means that any club that hires him is not allowed to let him do community work which lots of clubs do.

[SueEllen]

how can anyone really answer this? he has done his sentence, yet he is a role model. He does not show remorse because he believes he is innocent so why should he show remorse? She was off her face so did he cynically take the opportunity? or did she exploit the situation to harness her regret? How on earth can we judge?

He hasn't done his sentence.

He was released half way through and is out on licence.

BTW other men have been convicted of rape for sleeping with drunken women. In a couple of the cases they have been caught by witnesses in the act.

[vetran]

He's appealed once already.

Also some people have won their appeals but received no compensation simply because while they weren't guilty it doesn't mean they were innocent.

I thought he had been refused the right to appeal and they are now reconsidering it?

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-...-chedwyn-evans

McDonald may reasonably have believed that the complainant had consented to sexual activity with him, and at the same time concluded that the applicant knew perfectly well that she had not consented to sexual activity with him (the applicant). The circumstances in which each of the two men came to be involved in the sexual activity was quite different; so indeed were the circumstances in which they left her.

not sure what how he left her has any bearing on consent?

Key and Undisputed Facts

[DodgyAgent]

This has a slightly different spin:

Ched Evans: Sorry, but all rapes are not the same - Telegraph

For dear old Freako: All rape isn't the same, allegedly.

This wont appeal to the binary mind of your average Cukker but I totally agree that not all rapes are the same.