UKIP is wrong - I just changed my mind on the EU

[tractor]

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You think higher wages are going to discourage immigration?

Perhaps not but it will encourage our home-grown to get off their butts and actually compete.

[BlasterBates]

Average migrant worker earns more a year in the UK than British-born | Daily Mail Online

This is why there isn't a shortage of resources because migrants raise the level of earnings and hence taxes.

Many migrant Europeans keep their families back home, and therefore burden the resources less in comparison to the tax they pay.

Their families don't use the NHS, their children don't go to school. They return back to their country and don't end up an incontinent old fool in the nursing home.

The fact that they're earning more is a reflection on their higher qualifications, which incidentally the UK gets for free, i.e. the UK didn't spend on schooling, and everything else before they started paying taxes.

In spite of this fact Daily Mail readers throw an apoplexy because they're entitled to some minimal tax rebates, which everyone else in the UK also get.

[tractor]

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Average migrant worker earns more a year in the UK than British-born | Daily Mail Online

This is why there isn't a shortage of resources because migrants raise the level of earnings and hence taxes.

Many migrant Europeans keep their families back home, and therefore burden the resources less in comparison to the tax they pay.

Their families don't use the NHS, their children don't go to school. They return back to their country and don't end up an incontinent old fool in the nursing home.

What that story tells me is that the £5m pa an American banker earns goes a long way to skew the figures for 1,000 carrot pickers.

[VectraMan]

no, less immigration is going to encourage higher wages.

The jobs we're talking about are minimum wage, and are only ever going to be minimum wage. If you have to pay somebody £40K a year to serve coffee at the station, then the coffee is going to be too expensive and nobody will buy it. Those jobs only exist because you can get somebody to do it for minimum wage. If British people think it's not worth working for minimum wage, then the only effect of having less immigration will be that you won't be able to buy coffee at the station, or get your flat cleaned, or get your car washed by hand, or get a taxi. Nobody is going to earn any more, and there'll just be a greater proportion of the population on benefits.

[DodgyAgent]

Average migrant worker earns more a year in the UK than British-born | Daily Mail Online

This is why there isn't a shortage of resources because migrants raise the level of earnings and hence taxes.

Many migrant Europeans keep their families back home, and therefore burden the resources less in comparison to the tax they pay.

Their families don't use the NHS, their children don't go to school. They return back to their country and don't end up an incontinent old fool in the nursing home.

The fact that they're earning more is a reflection on their higher qualifications, which incidentally the UK gets for free, i.e. the UK didn't spend on schooling, and everything else before they started paying taxes.

And then much of their income is then sent home causing a balance of payments deficit Remittances: how much Britain sends, and where the cash goes

As I said which none of you can really cope with is that what we really need are higher end skills such as IT specialists and engineers

[DodgyAgent]

The jobs we're talking about are minimum wage, and are only ever going to be minimum wage. If you have to pay somebody £40K a year to serve coffee at the station, then the coffee is going to be too expensive and nobody will buy it. Those jobs only exist because you can get somebody to do it for minimum wage. If British people think it's not worth working for minimum wage, then the only effect of having less immigration will be that you won't be able to buy coffee at the station, or get your flat cleaned, or get your car washed by hand, or get a taxi. Nobody is going to earn any more, and there'll just be a greater proportion of the population on benefits.

So what are you suggesting that we simply leave the floodgates open?

[SueEllen]

Sue
ONS use foreign born as one of the few identifying features that will not change nationality etc can change.

The few irrelevant people that fall into the category hardly affect the overall numbers. Its statistics, the sheer weight of numbers show the trend. Some might even say they wish Boris could be deported.

The largest group of foreign born people in the UK are Indian. The number of them is hardly irrelevant. Ask around the Indian people you know and you will find the vast majority have a British passport i.e. are British Citizens.

People from the EU and the US don't get British passports. They also tend to come and go within 5-7 years unless they marry someone there as your Commonwealth citizens tend to stay.

[SueEllen]

What that story tells me is that the £5m pa an American banker earns goes a long way to skew the figures for 1,000 carrot pickers.

They have separated the figures out with citizens from the old EU, citizens from newer joining EU countries, and citizens from outside the EU.

They all earn on average more than a UK citizen and are all on average much more qualified.

[BlasterBates]

What that story tells me is that the £5m pa an American banker earns goes a long way to skew the figures for 1,000 carrot pickers.

It doesn't say that in the article. Do you have statistics to back that up?

[vetran]

The jobs we're talking about are minimum wage, and are only ever going to be minimum wage. If you have to pay somebody £40K a year to serve coffee at the station, then the coffee is going to be too expensive and nobody will buy it. Those jobs only exist because you can get somebody to do it for minimum wage. If British people think it's not worth working for minimum wage, then the only effect of having less immigration will be that you won't be able to buy coffee at the station, or get your flat cleaned, or get your car washed by hand, or get a taxi. Nobody is going to earn any more, and there'll just be a greater proportion of the population on benefits.

well you can campaign for workfare and more efforts to cut benefits fairly. Something I have mentioned before.

Minimum wage jobs lead to more senior wages, I started on the equivalent of minimum wage and now earn quite a bit. Our School leavers won't have the same opportunities, immigration has closed that door. Why hire an 18 year old with no qualifications when you can have a 25 year old with experience and qualifications for the same or less?

Why are we talking only about minimum wages, do you think you are better than the radiologist with 5- 10 years of experience that is waiting tables to learn English and convert her qualification so she can replace a freshly trained UK radiologist ?

I went to the Council tip at the weekend the chaps who were all 50 year old Brits are now replaced with 20-30 year old eastern Europeans (all very nice guys by the way). I assume the guys they replaced have all become brain surgeons or are they on the dole?

I remember back in the early eighties how you couldn't get a coffee, or served in a garage (especially the self service ones that were becoming common) and the carrots rotted in the ground thank Deity that we imported loads of cheap labour to do the work no one wanted to do for less than they can get on benefits.

you pro immigration lot do talk a lot of tosh.