UKIP is wrong - I just changed my mind on the EU

[SueEllen]

The term "foreign born" is meaningless.

If you actually bother to think about who counts as "foreign born" it includes people like:

• Boris Johnson
• Ugandan Indians who were chucked out of Ugandan in the 1970s and helped to bring us our extended shopping hours
• OAPs who will happily tell you that they were born in India/Kenya/where ever but have British parents
• Cliff Richard
• Nigel Farage's wife - Kirsten
• Nick Clegg's wife - Miriam González Durántez
• Rita Ora
• Bradley Wiggins
• Prince Philip
• Eddie Izzard
• Julian Fellowes

[Brussels Slumdog]

I think that the quoted figure of 12M arriving is a bit exaggerated. I believe that the law of diminishing returns will influence the figures.The benefit of coming to the UK and finding work will be offset by the inability to receive medical treatment. Its becoming virtually impossible to get an appointment to see a doctor and the situation will get worse. I refuse to sign a contract unless I have the option, if required, to work from home on Friday just in case I need to visit my doctor in Belgium.

[Doggy Styles]

The term "foreign born" is meaningless.

If you actually bother to think about who counts as "foreign born" it includes people like:

• Boris Johnson
• Ugandan Indians who were chucked out of Ugandan in the 1970s and helped to bring us our extended shopping hours
• OAPs who will happily tell you that they were born in India/Kenya/where ever but have British parents
• Cliff Richard
• Nigel Farage's wife - Kirsten
• Nick Clegg's wife - Miriam González Durántez
• Rita Ora
• Bradley Wiggins
• Prince Philip
• Eddie Izzard
• Julian Fellowes

That's all beside the point.

Millions more people is simply unsustainable. Do you think it can go on forever?

[Doggy Styles]

I think that the quoted figure of 12M arriving is a bit exaggerated. I believe that the law of diminishing returns will influence the figures.The benefit of coming to the UK and finding work will be offset by the inability to receive medical treatment. Its becoming virtually impossible to get an appointment to see a doctor and the situation will get worse. I refuse to sign a contract unless I have the option, if required, to work from home on Friday just in case I need to visit my doctor in Belgium.

What this says is that the mass influx of people will reduce once their extra pressure on services makes the country too unbearable to live in.

[BlasterBates]

If you have more immigrants you have more services.

yeah I know it's obvious, but if you read the Daily Mail it sometimes gets missed.

[Doggy Styles]

If you have more immigrants you have more services.

yeah I know it's obvious, but if you read the Daily Mail it sometimes gets missed.

Not enough, as others have said.

And houses? Is land infinite?

[BlasterBates]

Not enough, as others have said.

And houses? Is land infinite?

Define enough....if your GDP goes down services get cut.

[Lockhouse]

GDP is irrelevant. It's GDP per head that's important. Since we let in millions of unskilled foreigners, the GDP per head has been falling for years. Hence more people but poorer quality of life for everyone.

For many industries the minimum wage is the de facto maximum wage.

[BlasterBates]

...and GDP pre head is rising. It dropped significantly in 2009 for obvious reasons but has been rising steadily ever since.

[KentPhilip]

If you have more immigrants you have more services.

yeah I know it's obvious, but if you read the Daily Mail it sometimes gets missed.

No you don't, you often get fewer services. Money that the British government is spending on providing benefits to these people is money that is not being spent on providing even existing services on the ones here paying the taxes.

yeah I know it's obvious, but if you read the Guardian it sometimes gets missed.