UKIP is wrong - I just changed my mind on the EU

[BlasterBates]

No you don't, you often get fewer services. Money that the British government is spending on providing benefits to these people is money that is not being spent on providing even existing services on the ones here paying the taxes.

yeah I know it's obvious, but if you read the Guardian it sometimes gets missed.

Funds are allocated according to a) the population in the area, b) local taxation.

If there are more immigrants in a town then this will lead to more funding. Immigrants come in because they get a job and then pay tax.

yeah I know it's obvious but it often gets missed if you only read the Daily Mail.

The money spent per capita on NHS services in England has risen from £1,287 in 2003/04 to £1,979 in 2010/11.

http://http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs

i.e. services are getting better for each individual despite "mass immigration". per capita means per person.

[tractor]

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Funds are allocated according to a) the population in the area, b) local taxation.

If there are more immigrants in a town then this will lead to more funding. Immigrants come in because they get a job and then pay tax.

yeah I know it's obvious but it often gets missed if you only read the Daily Mail.



http://http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs

i.e. services are getting better for each individual despite "mass immigration". per capita means per person.

No one least of all the government and the Border Agency knows how many are here. No one knows how many will arrive.

If NHS spending has gone up, why does it take so much longer for me to get a doctor appointment?

1m on min wage does not increase the tax take any more than 10.

[SantaClaus]

No one least of all the government and the Border Agency knows how many are here. No one knows how many will arrive.

If NHS spending has gone up, why does it take so much longer for me to get a doctor appointment?

1m on min wage does not increase the tax take any more than 10.

Good luck if you have a medical emergency in my area. One hospital has been closed, and the other is overstretched. The average wait in A&E is 6 hours, by which time you would most probably be dead.

[original PM]

The money spent per capita on NHS services in England has risen from £1,287 in 2003/04 to £1,979 in 2010/11.

So does this assume that everyone in the UK goes to hospital and therefore this figure is based on total amount spent divided by population of the UK?

As if this is the case you should understand that this is not good at all as it simply means that the NHS spending has increased way out of proportion with the growing population - in addition lets assume that average Joe still rarely goes uses the NHS and therefore what you see is more money being spent on less people but it is being spent on those people who have contributed nothing.

[vetran]

Sue
ONS use foreign born as one of the few identifying features that will not change nationality etc can change.

The few irrelevant people that fall into the category hardly affect the overall numbers. Its statistics, the sheer weight of numbers show the trend. Some might even say they wish Boris could be deported.

The rest of you pro immigration folks:

Millions more lowly paid people working for large tax avoiding multinationals will not mean a better economy We need lots of higher rate tax payers to fund the lifestyle we expect not people on minimum wage supported by tax credits.

Millions more people from countries with social attitudes and cultures that differ from our own who try to establish their own separated communities is not going to help community cohesion.We might even see lots of 'British' Folks going off to fight against our way of life.

The increase in the population will mean more houses, Hospitals and Schools will need to be built, are you prepared to pay for and support that?

The reason for the mass import of cheap workers is so that big businesses can pay lower wages, not sure why all the pro immigration folks on here want to support that?

[tractor]

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Sue
ONS use foreign born as one of the few identifying features that will not change nationality etc can change.

The few irrelevant people that fall into the category hardly affect the overall numbers. Its statistics, the sheer weight of numbers show the trend. Some might even say they wish Boris could be deported.

The rest of you pro immigration folks:

Millions more lowly paid people working for large tax avoiding multinationals will not mean a better economy We need lots of higher rate tax payers to fund the lifestyle we expect not people on minimum wage supported by tax credits.

Millions more people from countries with social attitudes and cultures that differ from our own who try to establish their own separated communities is not going to help community cohesion.We might even see lots of 'British' Folks going off to fight against our way of life.

The increase in the population will mean more houses, Hospitals and Schools will need to be built, are you prepared to pay for and support that?

The reason for the mass import of cheap workers is so that big businesses can pay lower wages, not sure why all the pro immigration folks on here want to support that?

I cannot help but agree and I can not understand why this simple relationship is so hard to grasp for anyone.

[VectraMan]

Millions more lowly paid people working for large tax avoiding multinationals will not mean a better economy We need lots of higher rate tax payers to fund the lifestyle we expect not people on minimum wage supported by tax credits.

You think higher wages are going to discourage immigration?

[DodgyAgent]

Funds are allocated according to a) the population in the area, b) local taxation.

If there are more immigrants in a town then this will lead to more funding. Immigrants come in because they get a job and then pay tax.

yeah I know it's obvious but it often gets missed if you only read the Daily Mail.



http://http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/key-statistics-on-the-nhs

i.e. services are getting better for each individual despite "mass immigration". per capita means per person.

The one thing that is missing is a lack of IT freelancers, IT specialists and engineers coming to the UK. THIS is something the UK could very much do with. Rather than letting in low pay, low tax paying workers who send much of their disposable income back home we should have the power to select whoever we want.

[vetran]

I cannot help but agree and I can not understand why this simple relationship is so hard to grasp for anyone.

Indeed and if you extend this thinking to what are our home grown unskilled workers going to do if others are doing the jobs they traditionally did? As a couple of friends pointed out to me minimum wage is not enough to cover their outgoings that benefits payments do.

As the number of unskilled jobs are highly likely to decrease over the next few decades we don't need more of it.

The money they earn is likely to be repatriated so the circulation of earnings in the local economy is likely to be minimal.

[vetran]

You think higher wages are going to discourage immigration?

no, less immigration is going to encourage higher wages.