Calais migrant crisis: UK police 'should help'

[xoggoth]

Slanting back off topic again, I cannot believe The BBC is claiming a net benefit of Eastern Europeans.

Immigrants from the 10 countries that joined the EU in 2004 contributed more to the UK than they took out in benefits, according to a new study.
They added £4.96bn more in taxes in the years to 2011 than they took out in public services, the report produced by University College London (UCL) found.

BBC News - New EU migrants add £5bn to UK, report says

Even if that was each year, it would only be about 0.75% of government expenditure of about £670bn, a total over 8 years is only about 0.1%. However:

The population of citizens from the A8 accession countries since 2004 has risen since then, there are now around one million.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/net...onals_uk-30857

That is about 1.5% of the UK population of 64 million, 15 times as much as the supposed economic benefit.

As I said above, no point growing GDP if population grows even more. This confirms the problem:

But only now is the economic depression finally over. Today's gross domestic product figures, which show total national income finally surpassing pre-crisis levels, mark that moment.
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Moreover, although the size of the total pie is now bigger than in 2008, the number of people it is shared amongst has increased. As a result, GDP per capita is still around 5% smaller than before the crisis.

Why GDP Figures Don't Tell The Full Story

[SueEllen]

I have to agree in some ways with you there, I think with real cases of asylum seekers you can't turn them away but I suspect that they are the minority. The real question is, why the UK? I also think that refugees should also return to their home countries once stability has been restored, harsh, but fair.

It's not that simple.

Someone I know whose grandparents came from a place in India before partition reminded me of this problem - In the UK there are still people here who came from the former Yugoslavia who claimed asylum when they had their war. If they went home they wouldn't be going back to the same place as it no longer exists, plus some of them were children when they left but are now adults.

Also if something happens like in Uganda in 1972 where an entire ethnic group is chucked out of the country then the refugees are stateless.

Basically any asylum seekers we take in we are stuck especially with if their home country forms separate states or chucks an entire ethnic group out.

[SueEllen]

Slanting back off topic again, I cannot believe The BBC is claiming a net benefit of Eastern Europeans.

The funding of the UCL report came from the EU, so they aren't going to say that EU immigrants cause a net loss to the UK.

[vetran]

The funding of the UCL report came from the EU, so they aren't going to say that EU immigrants cause a net loss to the UK.

follow the money good point.

[SueEllen]

follow the money good point.

Also some of the non-EU immigrants were originally asylum seekers so even if they are qualified they can't necessarily prove it.

[darmstadt]

The funding of the UCL report came from the EU, so they aren't going to say that EU immigrants cause a net loss to the UK.

I have a copy of the report but couldn't find that information, care to share?

[SueEllen]

I have a copy of the report but couldn't find that information, care to share?

Sorry I should have said the European Research Council funded by the European Commission.

It's actually not that hard to find out who funds the researchers or any academic.

[darmstadt]

Sorry I should have said the European Research Council funded by the European Commission.

It's actually not that hard to find out who funds the researchers or any academic.

Okay, the report was published by the Royal Economic Society on Wednesday 5 November 2014 in the Economic Journal and the researchers work for CReAM which is an independent and interdisciplinary research centre located in the Department of Economics at University College London. The report is based on data from the UK’s Labour Force Survey, as well as on a multitude of official reports from several Government Departments, which are combined with data on tax receipts from the Budget Reports and with expenditures data from the Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses published by HM Treasury. From that information I don't think so, sorry.

[SueEllen]

Okay, the report was published by the Royal Economic Society on Wednesday 5 November 2014 in the Economic Journal and the researchers work for CReAM which is an independent and interdisciplinary research centre located in the Department of Economics at University College London. The report is based on data from the UK’s Labour Force Survey, as well as on a multitude of official reports from several Government Departments, which are combined with data on tax receipts from the Budget Reports and with expenditures data from the Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses published by HM Treasury. From that information I don't think so, sorry.

Where do CReAM get their funding from?

[xoggoth]

Another reason to query reports about benefits of migrants over a short term is that lags exist.

One is that governments do not anticipate pressures but only respond when they become acute. Migrants are now causing serious pressures on our schools, prisons, NHS and housing supply which will require increased spending in the future.

The other is due to age. Migrants perform better because they are younger. On an age-related basis, many groups are more likely to be unemployed or have worse health. This means that, when they age in turn, they will be at least as great a burden as our own old people but will have contributed or saved even less to pay for it.