August 2014 Warmest on record, globally

[EternalOptimist]

We have only two years to save the world.

Only ten years to save the planet

Two weeks to save the planet.


how many times have we heard this nonsense ? catastrophists, charletans and crooks, the lot of them

[SpontaneousOrder]

We have only two years to save the world.

Only ten years to save the planet

Two weeks to save the planet.


how many times have we heard this nonsense ? catastrophists, charletans and crooks, the lot of them

[pjclarke]

'Save the Planet' rhetoric is of course to be ridiculed, as is 'It is all a hoax/conspiracy to introduce world socialism'. No doubt similar rhetoric was deployed when the risk to the ozone layer was discovered. nonetheless the Montreal Protocols were introduced and the reduction in CFCs is now estimated to save 2 million lives annually.

Skin Cancer Risks Avoided by the Montreal Protocol—Worldwide Modeling Integrating Coupled Climate-Chemistry Models with a Risk Model for UV - Dijk - 2012 - Photochemistry and Photobiology - Wiley Online Library

We didn't Save The Planet, but we did save lives....

[EternalOptimist]

I am glad to see that PJ is softening his position ^. I guess that makes him a 'luke warmer' rather than a catastrophist.

I wonder if he still believes in Hansens prediction that the West side would be under water by 2028 ? That would a bit of a catastrophe, wouldn't it ? 10 feet of water in 14 years.
wow.

[pjclarke]

Examining Hansen's prediction about the West Side Highway

Its a bit like the 'Snow is a thing of the past' nonsense. It ran completely contrary to what the literature was and is saying and relies on embellishment by the journalist/interviewer. Still it gets endless recycled in an attempt to make Hansen look alarmist and foolish. So I wouldn't pay much mind to a hypothetical aside made in a newspaper interview, I prefer what he wrote in the literature

Scientific reticence and sea level rise - IOPscience

And the Highway has been rebuilt since he made that prediction - still it is prone to flooding.

Westside Highway in NYC flooded!! - CNN iReport

[EternalOptimist]

oo, watch them wriggle.

You have changed your position. Last time we talked about this, you said that you thought Hansens prediction was an accurate one.

Anyways, at least we are in agreement. You are slowly but surely coming around to the sceptics point of view.

[pjclarke]

oo, watch them wriggle.

You have changed your position. Last time we talked about this, you said that you thought Hansens prediction was an accurate one.

You are mistaken, sir. And if the sceptics could agree on a consistent position, well, that would be a step forward.

[DodgyAgent]

You are mistaken, sir. And if the sceptics could agree on a consistent position, well, that would be a step forward.

It might help if you lot did not behave like religious fanatics

[SpontaneousOrder]

nonetheless the Montreal Protocols were introduced and the reduction in CFCs is now estimated to save 2 million lives annually.

Skin Cancer Risks Avoided by the Montreal Protocol—Worldwide Modeling Integrating Coupled Climate-Chemistry Models with a Risk Model for UV - Dijk - 2012 - Photochemistry and Photobiology - Wiley Online Library

We didn't Save The Planet, but we did save lives....

Based on the assumptions that:

1) Some kind of catastrophe, caused by the hole in the ozone itself, would have halted all possible sun lotion production.

2) For some reason hundreds of millions of white & white-ish europeans / americans / australians / etc would have lacked the forethought to avoid unnecessary exposure to the sun, given the danger of a massively depleted ozone (when I went to melbourne they did exactly that - almost noone was brown, apart from all of the Japanese there) - and especially as global sun cream production has been wiped out due to some mysterious ozone related catastrophe.


So in other words - I call bulltulip.

[BlasterBates]

Anyone remember the Ice age scare of the 1970's....then we had the forests were all dying. In the 1970's the Amazon rain forest was disappearing at the rate of Belgium every year. well that was 40 years ago, which means 40 belgiums should have disappeared. The problem is the last time I looked it didn't look a lot different than it did in the 1970's. Then there was the Sahara desert growing at the same rate the Amazon forest was disappearing.

In 5 years the AGW scare will be dead, because we're about to enter a cooling cycle, though hats off to the scientists this time round, they certainly got everyone going.