Salmond "We can take Scotland in two weeks"

[DodgyAgent]

Is that when your principles resistor blew?

I don't have principles you should know that by now

[DodgyAgent]

Tony Benn was against independence.

That is beside the point he is making

[Mich the Tester]

That is beside the point he is making

But you don't know what that is because you didn't read it;

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1989961

[Old Greg]

I don't have principles you should know that by now

Exactly.

[Runs With Scissors]

I got this far and switched off:

Quelle surprise

As a life-long Labour voter I can identify with his disillusionment, particularly when you look at the current leadership of the Scottish Labour Party. I always thought of the SNP as the Tartan Tories but they have proved to be a competent and credible centre-left government in Scotland. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the SNP in the event of a Yes vote, after all the whole reason for their existence will have disappeared. It may be that they will split left and right but I certainly believe the landscape of Scottish politics has changed forever.

[Old Greg]

Quelle surprise

As a life-long Labour voter I can identify with his disillusionment, particularly when you look at the current leadership of the Scottish Labour Party. I always thought of the SNP as the Tartan Tories but they have proved to be a competent and credible centre-left government in Scotland. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the SNP in the event of a Yes vote, after all the whole reason for their existence will have disappeared. It may be that they will split left and right but I certainly believe the landscape of Scottish politics has changed forever.

Maybe it will end up like Ireland, where the principle political parties are:

The pro-treaty party
The anti-treaty party
The political wing of the Official IRA
The political wing of the Provisional IRA

The great thing about independence movements is that they keep on giving.

[SueEllen]

Monarchy? Who cares - but I doubt Scotland will accept a coronation in Westminster as Canada does.

The relationship will be much more like the one with Ireland except with the same ceremonial head of state and NATO membership.

Then the monarch would have to be crowned twice.

Thanks to their generations of inbreeding your Royal Family as she is the rUK.

[SueEllen]

Quelle surprise

As a life-long Labour voter I can identify with his disillusionment, particularly when you look at the current leadership of the Scottish Labour Party. I always thought of the SNP as the Tartan Tories but they have proved to be a competent and credible centre-left government in Scotland. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the SNP in the event of a Yes vote, after all the whole reason for their existence will have disappeared. It may be that they will split left and right but I certainly believe the landscape of Scottish politics has changed forever.

You can still have a national party though.

Other countries have and have had them.

[original PM]

A lot of what Irvine Welsh spouted was about letting the go getting youth of scotland get on with it etc..

but does he not realise that once people get into power and become part of the elite they will fight to keep it that way and so this ripping off of the poor to give to the super rich will continue and be perpetrated by scots instead of someone else.

raging against the machine and expecting the new machine to suddenly become a utopian socialist state where everyone gets an equal share is incredibly naive.

[jemb]

Be afraid, be very afraid...

Jean-Claude Juncker is sympathetic to Scotland joining. Would they really discard 5 million or so EU citizens out and ask them to rejoin behind Albania, Iceland, Montenegro, Serbia, Turkey and Macedonia? Especially when they are in control of these resources?





BBC News - Scottish independence: Jean-Claude Juncker 'not referring to Scotland'


10 key economic facts that prove Scotland will be a wealthy independent nation : Business for Scotland.

Hang on - the Yes vote have at various points stated that Scotland would be automatically allowed in, then we'd have to negotiate and now it's surely they wouldn't want to lose the oil.

The reality is that Scotland may well get in, but with no rebate and may have to take the Euro, it may also require a period out of the EU (article 49). We won't get in because people are sympathetic. That's just plain nuts. Get a grip.

And can you please stop posting links to the Business For Scotland site, there are so few real business on there and none that support significant workforces. It's embarrassing.

Here's one from the Guardian with a quote from an analyst at Deutch Bank (employee base > 90,000)Be afraid, be very afraid.