Salmond "We can take Scotland in two weeks"

[jemb]

And the connection between your post and mine or Mudskippers is ??

I wasn't commenting on the state/position or effectiveness of either campaign. The discussion was in response to MS's question about why the no campaign was using official labour colours.

who cares. My next door neighbour has a Yes sticker with the SNP logo on it.

[TestMangler]

who cares. My next door neighbour has a Yes sticker with the SNP logo on it.

Mudskipper clearly, because she asked the question

[Zero Liability]

[E]verything that has happened in Europe since 2009 or so has demonstrated that sharing a currency without sharing a
government is very dangerous. In economics jargon, fiscal and banking integration are essential elements of an optimum currency
area. And an independent Scotland using Britain’s pound would be in even worse shape than euro countries, which at least have some say
in how the European Central Bank is run.

I find it mind-boggling that Scotland would consider going down this path after all that has happened in the last few years.
If Scottish voters really believe that it’s safe to become a country without a currency, they have been badly misled.

It's a case of "be careful what you wish for". Whilst Krugman is no doubt correct insofar as the quoted parts are concerned, one would do well to remember that countries like Italy and France used to have to engage in embarrassing devaluations of their currencies, faced up against the more well managed Deutschmark. So it's all well and good to control your currency, but if you then engage in fiscal profligacy and become highly indebted and expect the central bank to bail you out (which it can refuse to do, if it is really "independent"), you can expect what France and Italy experienced before joining the Euro, especially if the BoE is run comparatively hawkishly, which as outlandish as it may sound, could well be the case if the point of comparison is Scotland. The US can get away with what it does because it currently has the world's reserve currency, yet even that will not last forever and is predicated on the willingness of other countries to purchase its debt, as well as pricing the global oil market in dollars. The Euro temporarily let France and the PIIGS get away with runaway spending, but now it's come back to bite them in the arse, as they don't have their own central banks to run the printing presses anymore, and the ECB is very reluctant to do so, particularly to enact direct purchases of sovereign debt. It will be interesting to see how Germany reacts if it does do that.

[EternalOptimist]

And the connection between your post and mine or Mudskippers is ??

I wasn't commenting on the state/position or effectiveness of either campaign. The discussion was in response to MS's question about why the no campaign was using official labour colours.

TM. Have you ever known me to be wrong about anything ?
no. therefore I am right about this

thats logic, that is

[TestMangler]

TM. Have you ever known me to be wrong about anything ?
no. therefore I am right about this

thats logic, that is

Sorry, forgot about that

I stand erected !! (I should mean corrected, but I don't)

[Batcher]

....but the NHS in Scotland is a totally different beast to that in the rest of the UK - you do understand that don't you?

No? Really? Sigh.
Health policy in Scotland is the total preserve of the Scottish Parliament.
You didn't know that? Why does that not surprise me.

Only a Scottish Parliament can privatise the NHS in Scotland because health policy up here, along with education and the legal system, is the responsibility of Scottish ministers answerable only to the Scottish Parliament

If you are going to vote Yes - at least try and understand the issues and understand the paucity of some of your (non) arguments.

Jeez, will you try reading what I wrote?

My point about Andy Burnham was he is a Labour opposition MP in the shadow cabinet. He marched against the privatisation of the NHS down south but in Scotland the Labour party denied it.

I know the NHS is devolved to Scotland but the more the NHS is privatised in England the more the block grant to Scotland is squeezed so it will impact on the NHS in Scotland.

Please take the time to watch these videos

Philippa Whitford, one of Scotland most respected surgeons

Jeane Freeman

[EternalOptimist]

There is another angle. Be careful what you wish for.
A lot of the 'Yes' sentiment seems to me to be based on pure anti-establishmentarianism
gainsaying
devils advocacy
contrarianism

whatever you want to call it.

When (if) they get their own government, do you really , really think they will stop ?

give it a year, they will be whinging about 'Edinbugh' this and 'Edinburgh' that

[eek]

Jeez, will you try reading what I wrote?

My point about Andy Burnham was he is a Labour opposition MP in the shadow cabinet. He marched against the privatisation of the NHS down south but in Scotland the Labour party denied it.

I know the NHS is devolved to Scotland but the more the NHS is privatised in England the more the block grant to Scotland is squeezed so it will impact on the NHS in Scotland.

Please take the time to watch these videos

Philippa Whitford, one of Scotland most respected surgeons

Jeane Freeman

How are NHS privatisation in England and the block grant to Scotland related?

[jemb]

Gove. GOVE?

Jeez, will you try reading what I wrote?

My point about Andy Burnham was he is a Labour opposition MP in the shadow cabinet. He marched against the privatisation of the NHS down south but in Scotland the Labour party denied it.

I know the NHS is devolved to Scotland but the more the NHS is privatised in England the more the block grant to Scotland is squeezed so it will impact on the NHS in Scotland.

Please take the time to watch these videos

Philippa Whitford, one of Scotland most respected surgeons

Jeane Freeman

My wife is an NHS consultant - she is one of Scotland's most respected shrinks. She will vote 'No'. If she spends a bit of time putting a YouTube video up will that sway your mind? No - didn't think so.
As for Jeane Freeman, good lord - is that labour apparatchik still around.....

The squeeze argument is a bit pish to be honest. How about higher borrowing requirement during the 'period of difficulty'?

Still yesterday - I did hear a Yes campaigner on the radio accusing Gove of ruining Scottish education. Was a there a magic squeeze there too?

Next the Yes campaign will be claiming the only way to save the fish supper is independence.....

...oh apparently they are claiming it.....

[jemb]

How are NHS privatisation in England and the block grant to Scotland related?

they aren't. and with DevoMax there will be legislation to ensure that it isn't.

Vote Yes. Save the fish supper.