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“Some people would do anything to see if it was possible to do it. If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry.”
"Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.
any contemplated U.S. preemptive strike would have to be massive from the start, imposing a ghastly cost on North Koreans (do their lives count?) but still running the risk that anything less than total success would mean a devastating retaliation. That’s not even taking into account possible actions of other countries, notably China’s response to an American attack on their detestable buffer state.
So this isn't Iraq or Afganistan - this will hurt, a lot...
Whether anyone likes it or not, North Korea is a nuclear weapons state outside the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and will remain so. Kim Jong-un learned the lessons of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi. Because Kim has weapons of mass destruction, especially nukes, he gets to stay alive and in power. If he gives them up, he can look forward to dancing the Tyburn jig or getting sodomized with a bayonet, then shot. That’s not a difficult choice.
So fat boy's not going to give up the only thing between him and 'regime change' the old fashioned way - maybe a 'colour revolution' instead?
Aside from speculation (which is all it is) that China could seek to engineer an internal coup to overthrow Kim in favor of a puppet administration, maintaining the current odious regime is Beijing’s only option if they don’t want to face the prospect of having on their border a reunited Korean peninsula under a government allied with Washington.
China want to keep their equivalent of Ukraine as it is without it becoming a US puppet state thank you very much because...
- After Moscow’s experience with the expansion of NATO following the 1990 reunification of Germany, why would Beijing take credibly any assurances from Washington (of which there is no indication anyway) not to expand into a vacuum created by a collapse of North Korea?
What a mess - or not....
«China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stay neutral. If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so».
That means that if Kim attacks the U.S., he’s on his own. If we attack Kim, we’re at war with China. In the latter case, while Russia would not likely directly join the fray we can be sure Moscow would provide China total support short of belligerency
Checkmate (again)?
And while we're all getting scared to death by the media:
But let’s be optimistic. There have been reports of direct «back channel» contacts between North Korea and the U.S. at the United Nations in New York.
Bunch of winkers the lot of them
Last edited by Jog On; 3 September 2017, 15:41.
Reason: winkers
"Is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like? If that is the case then we have free speech."- Elon Musk
If NK only want the nukes for self defence, like many other countries that already have them, China could solve this easily by providing the missiles but retain power of veto over their use.
NK would know China would allow their use if NK were attacked first and it keeps NK in check from starting a conflict.
Better than letting NK continue to antagonise its neighbours, which only takes one dodgy missile launch to escalate into a conflict.
Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.
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