Would you encourage / discourage family or friends on a career in IT?

[MyUserName]

There are so few entry level jobs that there is almost no point unless you are a god like software wizard or something. My brother in law has ignored me and has started a foundation degree in computer science at the OU to become a software contractor as he thinks it is easy money (I tried numerous times to explain the difference between day rate and personal take home but it never sunk in).

[eek]

Why are you asking?

+1000... You seem to have a material (political) interest in this question.....

[Mich the Tester]

still plenty of good jobs for talented candidates.

But so few entry level jobs.

Have there ever been all that many entry level jobs? I got into IT by a side route, showing an employer in a different industry that I could solve problems with his computers and I guess a lot of us started that way.

[suityou01]

I've actively discouraged my youngest son from IT as a career.

It's got no real future in the face of the Bobs in the software and service space and hardware stopped being anything more than box swapping long ago.

Glad you're not my dad.

[Old Greg]

Have there ever been all that many entry level jobs? I got into IT by a side route, showing an employer in a different industry that I could solve problems with his computers and I guess a lot of us started that way.

I had to teach myself how to use a mouse and to type to get a job. I then got asked to do some UAT for regression testing. I remember saying to the now Mrs OG, that I would do it and get a career in IT. And they offered me a job in IT.

[CoolCat]

of course I would not recommend this as a career option now. not when the political class are printing uncapped unrestricted intra company transfer work visas for the outsourcers to flood the country with indian nationals, and go onto give many indefinite leave to remain here and british passports.

the political class have decided to politically manipulate the IT workforce by giving much of the work to Indian nationals both here and in India, displaced many Brits from the jobs market, pushed pay low, and destroyed any incentive for employers to hire or train Brits.

[Old Greg]

of course I would not recommend this as a career option now. not when the political class are printing uncapped unrestricted intra company transfer work visas for the outsourcers to flood the country with indian nationals, and go onto give many indefinite leave to remain here and british passports.

the political class have decided to politically manipulate the IT workforce by giving much of the work to Indian nationals both here and in India, displaced many Brits from the jobs market, pushed pay low, and destroyed any incentive for employers to hire or train Brits.

Surely this is only affecting the low grade monkeys?

[Mich the Tester]

Surely this is only affecting the low grade monkeys?

They've had nearly all their capital letters stolen.

[vetran]

Surely this is only affecting the low grade monkeys?

It is hence no route in, its a rare internship then hiring after that rather than rising through the ranks.

There is still money to be made if you are clever and its physically safe work.

Unfortunately more and more is going over seas and its the customer facing work that stays here mostly.

[backthemac]

Surely this is only affecting the low grade monkeys?

See how your pay compares India Salary Survey - India Wages - Average Salary in India | PayScale

currently £1 = 103 Indian Rupee.

Because the UKBA allows expenses to be treated as salary to get to the rate for the job to issue the visa, foreign service companies can onshore these bods at more or less the pay they get in India. So if you can do that or like M&S outsource your IT dev / support to these companies why would any company in that position want to offer entry level jobs to residents? Consequently the number of entry level jobs has gone down. Look around you how many young people do you see working in IT?

I discouraged my oldest from a career in IT after he graduated last year and my daughter isn't interested.