Irate Public sector client's manager sends e-mail rejecting Substitutions

[jmo21]

I walked off site at the end of last year due to the new rules, so I don't need the lesson thanks.

erm... lesson? was that aimed at me?

[7specialgems]

This might be the first time I've ever heard of a subbie being used successfully.

Part of the reason for the question was to see if I was just being a bit hysterical about nothing. It's the first time I've seen a subbie both successfully deployed and also challenged.

Part also was to blow the whistle that in Jan 2013, on the eve of the Financial Bill 2013 and in the Public Sector, some stong remarks appear to be being made which are to the detriment of contracting in the PS. Cetainly, I think my client are trying to have their cake and eat it.

[BolshieBastard]

The truth is that for most of us there is no difference.

Uh!?

I dont know. Many of us at least try and preserve the 'difference' between permie and contractor but, the influx we've been seeing recently is diluting the gene pool!

[cojak]

Part of the reason for the question was to see if I was just being a bit hysterical about nothing. It's the first time I've seen a subbie both successfully deployed and also challenged.

Part also was to blow the whistle that in Jan 2012, on the eve of the Financial Bill 2013 and in the Public Sector, some stong remarks appear to be being made which are to the detriment of contracting in the PS. Cetainly, I think my client are trying to have their cake and eat it.

I'm afraid that this is old news to everyone here (and I think that this might have been lesson to which bobspud was referring.)

[cojak]

Uh!?

I dont know. Many of us at least try and preserve the 'difference' between permie and contractor but, the influx we've been seeing recently is diluting the gene pool!

Sadly I agree, I think that it's been the influx (over the last 18months) of permies who have either been made redundant or suddenly think that contracting is like permiedom, just more money.

[NotAllThere]

The public sector regulation/PN regarding over £220p/d for over 6 months are such that the client stands to be fined up to 5 times the contractor's annual effective rate...

All the more reason for the client to allow substitutes - then the contract is outside IR35 and they're safe.

Of course, being a) a senior manager and b) in the public sector, this is likely to be just to difficult to comprehend.

[bobspud]

Sadly I agree, I think that it's been the influx (over the last 18months) of permies who have either been made redundant or suddenly think that contracting is like permiedom, just more money.

This ^ more and more I find myself surrounded by creatures that have no place being a company director. If I hear one more newbie telling me how they are not worried about IR35 because they walk dogs of a weekend and that goes thought the books too I am liable to do damage.

[bobspud]

All the more reason for the client to allow substitutes - then the contract is outside IR35 and they're safe.

Of course, being a) a senior manager and b) in the public sector, this is likely to be just to difficult to comprehend.

And this ^ although my client has climbed down very drastically on this matter delaying all the checks another six months or more and the scape goat that sent all the compliance emails got the shove.

[BolshieBastard]

All the more reason for the client to allow substitutes - then the contract is outside IR35 and they're safe.

Of course, being a) a senior manager and b) in the public sector, this is likely to be just to difficult to comprehend.

That's just not logical. The client isnt bothered about IR35. They are complying with Government demands to enforce IR35 not avoid it.

[cojak]

That's just not logical. The client isnt bothered about IR35. They are complying with Government demands to enforce IR35 not avoid it.

Difficult to enforce IR35 on contractors who no longer work there.

There'll be no one left but those PMs and all those tasks with no-one assigned to them...