Irate Public sector client's manager sends e-mail rejecting Substitutions

[northernladuk]

Difficult to enforce IR35 on contractors who no longer work there.

There'll be no one left but those PMs and all those tasks with no-one assigned to them...

Problem is as already mentioned about the number of contractors that come on that don't have a clue there will always be some numpty ready to fill the seat without understanding the implications.

[cojak]

Problem is as already mentioned about the number of contractors that come on that don't have a clue there will always be some numpty ready to fill the seat without understanding the implications.

True.

Actually I don't mind all the IR35-fodder, it will keep HMRC busy processing them. Everyone likes the easy 'fish in a barrel' catches.

[BrilloPad]

True.

Actually I don't mind all the IR35-fodder, it will keep HMRC busy processing them. Everyone likes the easy 'fish in a barrel' catches.

And yet only some of them will get caught.

When I first started contracting in 1988 a friend said his company paid him a £10k "contract finding fee". His accountant told him to do it. They said 50% of time it was rejected and taxed, 50% of the time it slipped the net.

You have to ask yourself if you feel lucky....

[7specialgems]

If I hear one more newbie telling me how they are not worried about IR35 because they walk dogs of a weekend...

[northernladuk]

And yet only some of them will get caught.

When I first started contracting in 1988 a friend said his company paid him a £10k "contract finding fee". His accountant told him to do it. They said 50% of time it was rejected and taxed, 50% of the time it slipped the net.

You have to ask yourself if you feel lucky....

Indeed and this is what really pisses me off. Doesn't matter if you run your company properly or not, it's just luck of the draw (more or less) if you get investigated. Same with doing your accounts. I could try and do it properly, the guy next to me could fleece his company for everything it has. We still have the same chance to get investigated. He might get in to more trouble than me but that doesn't help me.

Maybe when HMIT or the IR35 man comes I can cut him a deal whereby I show a bit of diligence and a list of 10 other easy targets that have done no diligence whatsoever and we shake hands on the doorstep and no more is said.

[BrilloPad]

Maybe when HMIT or the IR35 man comes I can cut him a deal whereby I show a bit of diligence and a list of 10 other easy targets that have done no diligence whatsoever and we shake hands on the doorstep and no more is said.

Good idea - and made me laugh. I wish HMRC would go for it.

But they seem to want to fight every battle and humiliate everyone. I remember getting a VAT inspection in 90s. I got my accountant to do it. After 3 hours (what took them that long?) they had not found anything and were getting very upset. Finally they found a small glitch and asked for £55. At which point my accountant pointed out I had not claimed £190 on something. They agreed to call it quits - but the inspector had to find something.

And this is their problem. They have no section of proportion or pragmatism. Witness their section 58 battle - utterly ridiculous.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Indeed and this is what really pisses me off. Doesn't matter if you run your company properly or not, it's just luck of the draw (more or less) if you get investigated. Same with doing your accounts. I could try and do it properly, the guy next to me could fleece his company for everything it has. We still have the same chance to get investigated. He might get in to more trouble than me but that doesn't help me.

Maybe when HMIT or the IR35 man comes I can cut him a deal whereby I show a bit of diligence and a list of 10 other easy targets that have done no diligence whatsoever and we shake hands on the doorstep and no more is said.

You could be like an IR35 bounty hunter NLUK - collecting scalps for HMR&C in return for not being run out of Dodge

[bobspud]

I wish it was funny there was one guy at my last place thought that doing spot lighting for shows was a good way to show that he was not caught being a B.A I the same role for 4 years...

Unfortunately you are stuck in the first clusterxxxx of this silly rule. I went through the rules and what i thought it meant with my last lot and they still faffed it up causing dozens of guys to flounce.

That manager of yours needs a helping hand to see that outside and paying dividends is just as good as inside and full PAYE or umbrella scheme. I think it's going to take a few more months of pain.

Good luck.

[RasputinDude]

That manager of yours needs a helping hand to see that outside and paying dividends is just as good as inside and full PAYE or umbrella scheme. I think it's going to take a few more months of pain.

But does the manager *want* to learn? I suspect not. Let's face it - the current zeitgeist is "everyone paying their fair share of tax" (whatever that is) and most public sector staff perceive contractors as tax dodging scum. The ridiculous rules on hiring contractors in the public sector could easily be worked around, so where a senior manager is rigidly enforcing the rules or attempting to explicitly push contractors into working under IR35, then I would suggest that that behavior is a deliberate and malicious attempt to get back at the 'tax dodging contractors'.

[northernladuk]

I wish it was funny there was one guy at my last place thought that doing spot lighting for shows was a good way to show that he was not caught being a B.A I the same role for 4 years...

Unfortunately you are stuck in the first clusterxxxx of this silly rule. I went through the rules and what i thought it meant with my last lot and they still faffed it up causing dozens of guys to flounce.

That manager of yours needs a helping hand to see that outside and paying dividends is just as good as inside and full PAYE or umbrella scheme. I think it's going to take a few more months of pain.

Good luck.

Not sure why the manager should be bothered about how we run our business and taxation issues. I certainly don't care about how my accountant, builder and butlers run their business.