Past AWR Concerns & Now Negative References

[barrydidit]

Hi Pauly, in my view I too think you're in an impossible position with this scenario. If it's a large financial organisation, surely there are other roles in different departments/locations? This guy can't have that much of a say if it's a really big company.

Chalk it up to experience and look for something else, either with another department or another company - the effort you'll put into chasing this will be much better spent proactively job hunting.

[pauly]

I wouldn't dream of any of these actions. A contractor is as disposable as a paper cup if the mood takes 'em.

The clientco is very risk adverse and would want to appear to be acting fairly. I doubt they want the publicity of a tribunal which could hurt brand image and will only defend if they feel it has no merit.

I have questions.. why was I asked to re-apply it the clientco didn't want me back? What internal references were provided? When? By who and what was said? I understand that I can ask these questions and the company has to reply...

EHRC Statutory questionnaires link

What is a statutory discrimination questionnaire FAQ? link


I may be able to ask these questions in a letter and it would assist in finding answers (and seeing if there is any case). I feel like I need to know what happened in order to reconcile it and move on. Moreover, I don't want anyone else going through it.

Just wonder if anyone has taken this approach or if it has some merit to provide closure?

[eek]

The clientco is very risk adverse and would want to appear to be acting fairly. I doubt they want the publicity of a tribunal which could hurt brand image and will only defend if they feel it has no merit.

I have questions.. why was I asked to re-apply it the clientco didn't want me back? What internal references were provided? When? By who and what was said? I understand that I can ask these questions and the company has to reply...

EHRC Statutory questionnaires link

What is a statutory discrimination questionnaire FAQ? link


I may be able to ask these questions in a letter and it would assist in finding answers (and seeing if there is any case). I feel like I need to know what happened in order to reconcile it and move on. Moreover, I don't want anyone else going through it.

Just wonder if anyone has taken this approach or if it has some merit to provide closure?

You don't have a clue how the real world works do you? Find a new contract somewhere else.

[kingcook]

The clientco is very risk adverse and would want to appear to be acting fairly. I doubt they want the publicity of a tribunal which could hurt brand image and will only defend if they feel it has no merit.

Tribunal? Huh?! You were a contractor with them. They do not want you back as a permie. Simples. Put your energy into something else - you'll live longer.

I have questions.. why was I asked to re-apply it the clientco didn't want me back?

Have you ever heard of the phrase, "Don't call us, we'll call you?"

[pauly]

They do not want you back as a permie. Simples. Put your energy into something else - you'll live longer.

After my work was ended, I wrote to the Director of the business unit about not being able to apply for permie roles. He called me in for a face to face meeting and said that he would encourage submission for new roles. He pointed me to the recruitment contact and advocated a new submission. I only applied for the new roles based on his senior support. His support was undermined by the naffy references provided by some of management.

[pauly]

Hi Pauly, in my view I too think you're in an impossible position with this scenario. If it's a large financial organisation, surely there are other roles in different departments/locations? This guy can't have that much of a say if it's a really big company.

Chalk it up to experience and look for something else, either with another department or another company - the effort you'll put into chasing this will be much better spent proactively job hunting.

Thanks. Unfortunately any other group is likely to come back to the past manager and ask for references (its what happens when you have already worked in a company).

Of course your right - moving forward is key. I doubt I would want to take on a tribunal or litigation action and the priority is new work.

Although... the questionnaire may be a way of getting them to investigate the matter thoroughly.

[formant]

Did it occur to you that when the director invited your application that he was merely being polite? Of course companies like to have a good selection of CVs to shortlist from, so he was probably just thinking 'can't hurt', rather than 'I really want this guy'.

So yeah, maybe your previous manager disliked you enough to not want you back in the company. But do also be aware that if the director was ever truly interested in you as a candidate they'd have given you a chance despite your former manager being less than keen.

Get over it. Judges don't like timewasters. If you take this to a tribunal or to court for slander/libel you're very likely going to end up being ordered to pay the respondent's cost. Litigation is risky and de facto not fair.

[pauly]

Did it occur to you that when the director invited your application that he was merely being polite? Of course companies like to have a good selection of CVs to shortlist from, so he was probably just thinking 'can't hurt', rather than 'I really want this guy'.

So yeah, maybe your previous manager disliked you enough to not want you back in the company. But do also be aware that if the director was ever truly interested in you as a candidate they'd have given you a chance despite your former manager being less than keen.

Get over it. Judges don't like timewasters. If you take this to a tribunal or to court for slander/libel you're very likely going to end up being ordered to pay the respondent's cost. Litigation is risky and de facto not fair.

I am thinking this is not adding up either. Why the freak invite me to apply for roles and then have your management team mess up the application process. He probably did not know that was occuring (he does now). Will see what HR come back with their response early next week on his behalf. Waste of my time.

[pauly]

I am going to be a bit more sympathetic here and say I know how it feels to be slandered by a manager and pushed out - it was done to me and the choice was fight it or walk away.

If you fight it, it will absorb huge amounts of your energy at a time when you need to be making a resh start to your career. It risks dragging you down and making you feel negative and angry all the time which will not only affect your personal relationships and possibly your health, but any hint of negativity when interviewing will come over and put you in the reject pile. Also I would forget any fantasies about teaching this guy a lesson, he is obviously believed by his own managers and you, ex temp, whinging about him wont make a blind bit of difference. Just acquire a belief in karma and hope he gets his comeuppance one day.

I take it you are still pretty young so I would think about moving on and learn what you can so you dont get in this position again. In my case I did this, I still wonder if I should have fought as I had a lot more at stake in my late fifties - I lost a secure management salary and a public sector pension. However though I now work harder than ever I am happier, my marriage is better and various health problems have disappeared.

Great advice and its not lost on me.

I just was interested if anyone on this forum has pursued similar grievance matters and are glad they did.

[SueEllen]

I am thinking this is not adding up either. Why the freak invite me to apply for roles and then have your management team mess up the application process. He probably did not know that was occuring (he does now). Will see what HR come back with their response early next week on his behalf. Waste of my time.

The director didn't know at the time the manager and you have a personality clash.

The manager is already working for the company and you are not, therefore it's cheaper and less complicated to keep the manager there and not hire you.

Leave it and look elsewhere.