Other contractors at client working with no contract

**northernladuk** · 16 October 2012, 15:08

Originally posted by psychocandy View Post

My client is really the world worst at sorting out renewals. Usually goes to day or two before despite many prompts from me...

Last time, they were even worse, went in on Friday and nothing had been sorted. So I made a point of putting all my personal stuff in a box etc and rejected any meeting requests for the following week. In the end they sorted it at about 2pm Friday.

Theres another contractor here though who is clueless. Has worked weekends for free in the past (**** that!). Found out that during summer, this persons contract expired, so they carried on working for 3 weeks until it was sorted!

Thanks for that. Now I look a like a professional contractor who is aware of his relationship with his cient when I refuse to work for one day.
Some people are just completely clueless....

FTFY.... and as I mentioned in another thread.. this type of 'contractor' is creating the damage and inviting HMRC to crawl over us. Have you asked him if he has IR35 insurance and see the blank look on his face?

There are two sides to every story though. If he has had written confirmation of his extension from the right people it should do until the paperwork is sorted. It isn't the best but I don't think you need to pack your stuff up with that type of agreement.

He could of course have nothing and just turned up which isn't unheard of.

**speling bee** · 16 October 2012, 15:37

I can be relaxed about starting a gig without a contract if I know the client well. Will be doing this tomorrow.

But I will not countenance turning up without an extension. I've happily spent three days at home decorating while they sort it out.

**stek** · 16 October 2012, 16:05

Surely insurances are invalid with no contract in place (real or implied)

**d000hg** · 16 October 2012, 16:39

If a client keeps giving you work to do AND SIGNING TIMESHEETS isn't that pretty clear-cut... a simple lapse of an existing schedule/contract isn't the same as starting with no contract is it?

**northernladuk** · 16 October 2012, 17:11

Originally posted by d000hg View Post

If a client keeps giving you work to do AND SIGNING TIMESHEETS isn't that pretty clear-cut... a simple lapse of an existing schedule/contract isn't the same as starting with no contract is it?

I would say you are correct but you are implied contract territory which might work ok when you are getting paid but will be a nightmare if anything goes wrong and wouldn't it be IR35 suicide to continue to work like this?

**BolshieBastard** · 16 October 2012, 18:04

Originally posted by speling bee View Post

I can be relaxed about starting a gig without a contract if I know the client well. Will be doing this tomorrow.

But I will not countenance turning up without an extension. I've happily spent three days at home decorating while they sort it out.

You must be ******* mad!!

Decorating while you have time off from work!

**dogzilla** · 16 October 2012, 19:14

working 3 weeks without an extension?

guy is clearly a mongo.

**Wanderer** · 16 October 2012, 21:13

Originally posted by stek View Post

Surely insurances are invalid with no contract in place (real or implied)

I don't see that insurance could be invalidated by the absence of contract, there are many instances where a business would want to be insured against liability to a third party where no contract exists.

In any case, if a contract expires and the client allows the contractor to continue working then an implied extension to the original contract exists as a "course of dealing"....

**BlasterBates** · 17 October 2012, 06:46

Verbal/Implied contracts are legally valid, which is what this is. If you know the client then absolutely no problem in continuing to work, and I don't see it has any IR35 implications, and the paperwork will follow on.

Why throw away revenue?

Obviously an impied contract is not good for the entire duration of the contract, but this isn't what we're discussing.

Other contractors at client working with no contract