Passport ID

[Gentile]

I believe it is a requirement for companies to hold this information, not just verify it...

Can you provide a link to the legislation that leads you to that impression? Because nothing in The Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations states that agencies are compelled to retain a copy of the documents they've seen, only that:

19. Neither an agency nor an employment business may introduce or supply a work-seeker to a hirer unless it has obtained confirmation—

(a)of the identity of the work-seeker;

...

Note, that these regs do not say a copy of a worker's identity documents must be retained for future reference.

[Old Greg]

Yes. It says I was born in the United Kingdom. That makes me a citizen of the United Kingdom and thus entitled to work here, unless they've re-introduced mediæval notions of exile.

Don't think birth in UK makes you citizen.

[northernladuk]

Don't think birth in UK makes you citizen.

Damn right it doesn't.

[northernladuk]

Can you provide a link to the legislation that leads you to that impression? Because nothing in The Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations states that agencies are compelled to retain a copy of the documents they've seen, only that:

19. Neither an agency nor an employment business may introduce or supply a work-seeker to a hirer unless it has obtained confirmation—

(a)of the identity of the work-seeker;

...

Note, that these regs do not say a copy of a worker's identity documents must be retained for future reference.

Here you go... It is hardly surprising they go over the top, it is so bloody confusing and I don't even know if these are the rule of law but here is what I have found..

Link 1 - Checking a prospective worker's entitlement to work in the UK | Business Link

This is interesting as it defines an employment as

Who is an employer?
An employer is defined as a person who employs an individual under a contract of employment.

This can be a contract of service or an apprenticeship.

Link 2 - http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...df?view=Binary

From UK borders. Pretty indepth but it lists everything that can be used including samples pictures of what is acceptable. (Page 16)

It also mentions on page 11 recommendations for keeping documents which states..

You must then keep a record of every document you have copied. We recommend that you keep copies of
the documents securely for the duration of the person’s employment and for a further two years after they
stop working for you. By doing this, we will be able to check whether you have complied

Lots of info on how to check and what responibilities are and so on it is hardly surprising agents make it a painful process. It is pretty hard to follow without having the IQ of a lego brick to deal with as well.

[Old Greg]

Poor analogy.. Come up with a better one.

But they don't employ me. It's simple.

Mind you, I can't be arsed with arguing. They can have want they want as long as they pay my Ltd every week.

[northernladuk]

But they don't employ me. It's simple.

Mind you, I can't be arsed with arguing. They can have want they want as long as they pay my Ltd every week.

Boom!!! And that is exactly what it all comes down to! What a lot of fuss about so little.

They do under a contract of service as mentioned in my long post and in the details. Even if they didn't I don't see it unreasonable for them to do the check. It is so damn complex just do everyone. Seems sensible to me.

[Old Greg]

Boom!!! And that is exactly what it all comes down to! What a lot of fuss about so little.

They do under a contract of service as mentioned in my long post and in the details. Even if they didn't I don't see it unreasonable for them to do the check. It is so damn complex just do everyone. Seems sensible to me.

As always, people get so worked up at trying to demonstrate that they are running a real business that they forget to behave like a real business.

[Gentile]

Here you go... It is hardly surprising they go over the top, it is so bloody confusing and I don't even know if these are the rule of law but here is what I have found..

Link 1 - Checking a prospective worker's entitlement to work in the UK | Business Link

This is interesting as it defines an employment as



Link 2 - http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...df?view=Binary

From UK borders. Pretty indepth but it lists everything that can be used including samples pictures of what is acceptable. (Page 16)

It also mentions on page 11 recommendations for keeping documents which states..



Lots of info on how to check and what responibilities are and so on it is hardly surprising agents make it a painful process. It is pretty hard to follow without having the IQ of a lego brick to deal with as well.

I feel the need to point out that both of your links use that magical word "Employer" in their opening sentence. Do I need to remind you of all people, NLUK, that neither your agent nor your client is your employer?

Important wording that renders your Link 1 irrelevant to this discussion

Important wording that renders your Link 2 irrelevant to this discussion

[Old Greg]

I feel the need to point out that both of your links use that magical word "Employer" in their opening sentence. Do I need to remind you of all people, NLUK, that neither your agent nor your client is your employer?

Important wording that renders your Link 1 irrelevant to this discussion

Important wording that renders your Link 2 irrelevant to this discussion

Which is why NLUKICNCOTBAC.

[Gentile]

As always, people get so worked up at trying to demonstrate that they are running a real business that they forget to behave like a real business.

Part of behaving like a real business, unfortunately, involves recognising when people are wasting your time, or attempting to. As noted, I'm happy to provide a copy of my passport one time only. What I'm not happy to do is play sillybuggers for the sake of it, because it makes some junior employee of an agency feel important to do so. I draw the line at providing scans of the front cover of my passport, or at differentiating between a clear photograph and a clear scan of the thing. I don't have time to waste on bureaucracy, and I invariably find that agencies just tell any junior staff member that's wasting your time to wind their neck in if they try to hold up the signing of a contract for spurious reasons. Once the real issues of proving you have the skills and the ability to impress the client are out of the way, any agency that would walk away from a contract merely because they don't have a scan of the front cover of your passport isn't acting like a business.