Miners, shipbuilders, IT contractors?

[bobspud]

I'd ask the Egyptians about that one. I remember them renovating Hatshepsut's temple in Egypt and the side of it they worked on was a different colour to the other side :-) (and my missus is half-Polish so there's not racism here before anyone starts).

Also when I lived in Sussex we had a Polish maintenance man who was a real hacker (golfing term). He used to take the debris off round the corner of the garages and distribute them down the country path. Also spent most of the day maintaining and cleaning his own car instead of the grounds :-D

And when they get near IT they can do stuff like this

NEWS - Platige Image

[oliverson]

And when they get near IT they can do stuff like this

NEWS - Platige Image

One swallow doesn't make a summer. There are plenty of UK companies who can create stuff like that. Bet they aren't cheap either.

[bobspud]

One swallow doesn't make a summer. There are plenty of UK companies who can create stuff like that. Bet they aren't cheap either.

I wouldn't want to be a CGI designer based in the west end on Soho Rates bidding against them...

[Wils]

I mentioned further up the thread that in the large media company where I work there is not threat of outsourcing/offshoring at all. There are lots of contractors coming and going and I chat to them about the market etc and not one of them has ever mentioned offshoring as being a concern for them. If I was to talk to management about offshoring I am quite sure they would think of me as a dinosaur. It's just not the way things are done these days: it's all Agile co-located teams that themselves are positioned as close to other teams as possible. They don't even like someone interacting with the business sitting on another floor let alone another country.

Is there anyone else with this experience? I would like to know if I am living in a bubble or offshoring is confined to certain industries that are slow to learn from experience.

[nomadd]

I mentioned further up the thread that in the large media company where I work there is not threat of outsourcing/offshoring at all. There are lots of contractors coming and going and I chat to them about the market etc and not one of them has ever mentioned offshoring as being a concern for them. If I was to talk to management about offshoring I am quite sure they would think of me as a dinosaur. It's just not the way things are done these days: it's all Agile co-located teams that themselves are positioned as close to other teams as possible. They don't even like someone interacting with the business sitting on another floor let alone another country.

Is there anyone else with this experience? I would like to know if I am living in a bubble or offshoring is confined to certain industries that are slow to learn from experience.

Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble.

Over the last 7 years, I've worked in IT for Highstreet Retailers, Retail Banking and Investment Banking. Every single client I've worked for has laid off hoards of permies and contractors; they have moved, at a rough guess, 70% of their IT work to India.

Then again, it might just be me who's living in the - wrong - bubble!

[The_Equalizer]

I mentioned further up the thread that in the large media company where I work there is not threat of outsourcing/offshoring at all. There are lots of contractors coming and going and I chat to them about the market etc and not one of them has ever mentioned offshoring as being a concern for them. If I was to talk to management about offshoring I am quite sure they would think of me as a dinosaur. It's just not the way things are done these days: it's all Agile co-located teams that themselves are positioned as close to other teams as possible. They don't even like someone interacting with the business sitting on another floor let alone another country.

Is there anyone else with this experience? I would like to know if I am living in a bubble or offshoring is confined to certain industries that are slow to learn from experience.

This sounds very similar to a contract I had with a well known broadcaster. The following contract with a telecom provider was a bit of an eye opener. Bobs galore in a part of the UK that isn't known for being particularly cosmopolitan. IT is considered a cost by those 'on the top floor' and Bobs are cheaper on paper.

[Notascooby]

I think it depends on the level of "creativity" and interaction needed. If it can be scoped and packaged off then it will be offshored - e.g. a new payments engine for a bank that has defined interfaces and no "users". If it has a lot of GUI or end-user interaction then a more agile / business focused approach will win as people will always argue whether it should be "Last Name" or "Surname" and how long the maximum string length shall be. No the same if dealing with SWIFT or other defined message / interface formats.

[Scoobos]

maybe crossposting, but I find this report and the comments very worrying indeed. I had no idea so many people saw this as a WAR, but they do.

Our IT companies may relocate to other European countries, India warns UK - The Times of India

As I posted above (post 84), its about time we tried to do something to address the abuse of immigration that seems to be widespread.

[ChimpMaster]

maybe crossposting, but I find this report and the comments very worrying indeed. I had no idea so many people saw this as a WAR, but they do.

Our IT companies may relocate to other European countries, India warns UK - The Times of India

As I posted above (post 84), its about time we tried to do something to address the abuse of immigration that seems to be widespread.

It's even more worrying when you read what they write about us in the Comments section!

Would be interesting if any of our MPs took note of the comments and saw that the UK is being made a fool of by these Indian IT firms.

[amcdonald]

It's even more worrying when you read what they write about us in the Comments section!

Would be interesting if any of our MPs took note of the comments and saw that the UK is being made a fool of by these Indian IT firms.

To be fair it looks more like an Indian / Pakistani slagging match than anything to do with ICTs

Sure theres the odd trollr on there going on about colonialism, but really seems to be just isolated troll using different logins