Overtime rate, Nothing in contract

[russell]

Maybe it's just me but regular working hours and/or mandated extra overtime is for permies. Do you have a schedule of deliverables? If you're tracking on time, no need to work extra. If you're behind, and it's your fault, make up the time yourself. If they want to bring a deadline forward... then negotiate. Something like that.

A manager higher up the chain picked an arbitrary date and promised various people interested it will be ready then. Since then it has been reduced to a crippled product to fit this deadline. Now they are adding back needed functionality. It's a disaster hence my unwillingness to extend. I will say no to them as they knocked back my overtime rate level.

[Wanderer]

What are the extra hours for? So they can exert more D+C?

No, the client engages the services of the consultant company for x days at y hours per day for z months. If they want more hours than that worked then the consultant company is going to charge extra. There is no change to the amount of direction and control exerted.

[SueEllen]

A manager higher up the chain picked an arbitrary date and promised various people interested it will be ready then.

Not your problem.

If as a manager you are stupid enough to promise dates for delivery, then you need to be clear with the people who are going to deliver your product what the target date is from the start.

If you keep people in the dark who are doing the work then expect them to be sh*tty if you just throw a deadline on them, particularly if you aren't flexible about working practises.

[BolshieBastard]

Overtime!? 1.5 times hourly rate!?

Are these people supposed to be permie's or contractors!?

[psychocandy]

A manager higher up the chain picked an arbitrary date and promised various people interested it will be ready then. Since then it has been reduced to a crippled product to fit this deadline. Now they are adding back needed functionality. It's a disaster hence my unwillingness to extend. I will say no to them as they knocked back my overtime rate level.

Slightly different. If the deadline is caused by piss poor planning by the client then I'd agree with you. Stuff them.

I'm same here - I dont put myself out if the issue is caused by piss poor organisation. If its a proper operational emergency thats different.

[psychocandy]

No, the client engages the services of the consultant company for x days at y hours per day for z months. If they want more hours than that worked then the consultant company is going to charge extra. There is no change to the amount of direction and control exerted.

Depends if hours are stated on contract rather than professional working day surely? This causes ambiguity surely as to what constitutes a working day......

[Boo]

Overtime!? 1.5 times hourly rate!?

Are these people supposed to be permie's or contractors!?

They are contractors, no "supposed" about it. As contractors they are running businesses and will do what they can to make mutually rewarding agreements with their customers in respect of charge out rates for additional hours and/or work packages etc.

Boo

[Vandalay]

They are contractors, no "supposed" about it. As contractors they are running businesses and will do what they can to make mutually rewarding agreements with their customers in respect of charge out rates for additional hours and/or work packages etc.

Boo

It's a grey area for me - if you are an independent contractor charging direct to the client, then by all means tag on your own terms for out of hours/on demand fees.

Working through an agency is a little different, as you are less in control of your rate.

Completely understand where OP is coming from though.

[BolshieBastard]

They are contractors, no "supposed" about it. As contractors they are running businesses and will do what they can to make mutually rewarding agreements with their customers in respect of charge out rates for additional hours and/or work packages etc.

Boo

Yeah right, believe that if you wish. I'd love to hear what they say to the tax inspector when under an IR35 investigation!

[Goatfell]

Yeah right, believe that if you wish. I'd love to hear what they say to the tax inspector when under an IR35 investigation!

Well to use the analogy Hector is fond of using; compare the difference in cost of arranging for a plumber to visit your house three weeks in advance at 2.30 in the afternoon and calling him out at 2.00 am on a Sunday morning.

Premiums for callouts/unsociable hours are perfectly acceptable busuiness practices.