Family business tax back on the agenda.

[The Agents View]

Silly question. Your customer is the one stumping up the cash for the service. The agent is merely a factor. A more intelligent question is "How do you separate between different divisions, organisations or cost centres within the same overall corporation?".

But since you're clearly not a C stream student, what actually is the answer to the whole IR35 question then?

Wrong. Agency is your client, unless you are a direct contractor.

You are merely a sub-contractor of the agency, working for their client.

It might not be like, or feel like that the majority of the time, but ultimately, you are paid by the agency -they are the ones stumping up the cash, in advance of being paid for it by their client - the end user has absolutely nothing to do with you in the eyes of the law.

[Fred Bloggs]

You're right, but let's see what the OTS is really talking about before we get all hysterical. The S660 debate is a lot sexier than some of the other things they're looking at - did you know, for example, there is a CT relief for the manufacture of Angostura bitters...? ANd if S660 does comes back into consideration they will have a lot harder battle this time around.

You're right of course, nobody is hysterical, just damned annoyed at reading this kind of stuff in what is after all, a tory newspaper that one would hope is pretty well informed.

[malvolio]

Wrong. Agency is your client, unless you are a direct contractor.

You are merely a sub-contractor of the agency, working for their client.

It might not be like, or feel like that the majority of the time, but ultimately, you are paid by the agency -they are the ones stumping up the cash, in advance of being paid for it by their client - the end user has absolutely nothing to do with you in the eyes of the law.

Tell that to the tax commissioners in your next IR35 case...

[BolshieBastard]

You're right, but let's see what the OTS is really talking about before we get all hysterical. The S660 debate is a lot sexier than some of the other things they're looking at - did you know, for example, there is a CT relief for the manufacture of Angostura bitters...? ANd if S660 does comes back into consideration they will have a lot harder battle this time around.

The only person going on about being 'hysterical,' is you!

[malvolio]

The only person going on about being 'hysterical,' is you!

Good point....

[BolshieBastard]

Good point....

Not just a good point, an accurate one

[escapeUK]

You've just shown you are a sexist and a racist and don't have any understanding of the range of ways the laws can be used.

I use to house share with male teachers and know head teachers. When the head teachers and school governing body have had male candidates they wanted to give an open teaching post to, they had to make up reasons why he was better than all the female candidates. Now they don't have to the school can just say the majority of our teaching staff are female so we are employing a man.

No, Ive shown I only want to compete on the basis of who is best for the role. We have seen what happens when people are awarded jobs to meet criteria, nothing works, money is wasted, aka last 13 years of Labour.

I have a lot to thank teachers for. Thanks to them, there will be no new generations competing for my job. They are all far too ill-eductated. Re your comment about employing a man, what man would want to work surrounded by women, that would be intolerable, as the recent series of the Apprentice clearly demonstrated.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

You've just shown you are a sexist and a racist and don't have any understanding of the range of ways the laws can be used.

I use to house share with male teachers and know head teachers. When the head teachers and school governing body have had male candidates they wanted to give an open teaching post to, they had to make up reasons why he was better than all the female candidates. Now they don't have to the school can just say the majority of our teaching staff are female so we are employing a man.

Why is the remark either sexist or racist?????

[Wanderer]

My feeling, for what it's worth, is that HMR&C don't like single person Limited Companies and will do whatever it takes to ensure that they can only operate through PAYE

HMRC "not liking" it is irrelevant. Parliament make the laws, not HMRC.

[ChimpMaster]

Wrong. Agency is your client, unless you are a direct contractor.

You are merely a sub-contractor of the agency, working for their client.

It might not be like, or feel like that the majority of the time, but ultimately, you are paid by the agency -they are the ones stumping up the cash, in advance of being paid for it by their client - the end user has absolutely nothing to do with you in the eyes of the law.

With all due respect (?), I am going along with Mal's view here as he has proven a number of times that he has an informed opinion. You have often spoken with a rash and somewhat naive vision of the industry, and though I appreciate your effort, I will not accept it as an educated part of this discussion.