Blatant advert for role due for an Indian National

[pzz76077]

I would not listen to PZZ, he seems to be here on the wind up, trying to argue that it is OK for agents to go fishing last month. I very much doubt he is who he says he is.

All I can say is look at the market place and see reality. No contract roles out there and no reason why the situation should change.

PZZ

[malvolio]

All I can say is look at the market place and see reality. No contract roles out there and no reason why the situation should change.

PZZ

Wrong wrong wrong. It won't change if nobody does anything to make it change. There's a huge amount of effort going on right now to do exactly that. Now stop your pointless waffling and stick to whatever it is you're good at.

[pzz76077]

Wrong wrong wrong. It won't change if nobody does anything to make it change. There's a huge amount of effort going on right now to do exactly that. Now stop your pointless waffling and stick to whatever it is you're good at.

So its a bunch of contractors against the rest of the world then??

The average Brit did nothing to stop manufacturing from leaving UK shores for good- OK so some of the early TV's and cars out of Japan etc were not that good, but now they are the best in the world (in fact they are the ONLY ones in the world as no one else has the capability to manufactures any more).
Do you think the average Joe in the street gives a toss if his PC was programmed in the UK or somewhere else?? No he just wants the best value for money. Do yo think that he will champion your cause?? He didnt help manufacturing, miners etc, so why you??

Where is this huge amount of effort??
None evident. 10 years too late in any case.

PZZ

[malvolio]

Like I said - you stick to whatever it is you do wherever it is you do it. We'll look after the real world.

[NotAllThere]

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Do you think the average Joe in the street gives a toss if his PC was programmed in the UK or somewhere else?? ...

No. Except when it affects him. And offshoring programmers won't affect him directly. But it affects his suppliers. And he'll get pissed off with them. So they'll stop outsourcing so much when they finally realise (as many are) that outsourcing costs more than decently run insourced services.

[MPwannadecentincome]

you will have a tough time convincing the average business manager that cheaper is not better in the current economic climate hence the reason why so many ICT's are fulfilling the roles that contractors used to do.

PZZ

It's not the business manager that needs convincing - well done to them for taking advantage of the policy, rules and regulations set by govt.

The govt has to change the policy, without that we are all doomed to live in third world conditions.

[MPwannadecentincome]

Im constantly surprised by the number of contractors that harp on about ICT's and outsourcing cutting them out of the IT market like its something that started last month- this practice has been developing pace for the last 10 years and the writing has been on the wall for contractors for many years now. Those that have not kept pace with developments in their own back yard you can call 'uninformed'.

This assumes we have all been around contracting for the last 10 years - you may have been so along with others, do not assume the rest of us have been.

[MPwannadecentincome]

Also, staff are supposed to be paid the current local market rate for the role, the role is supposed to be advertised for two weeks locally, and even if you pass the ICT requirement there is no assurance that you will be able to get a Visa.

Herein lies the problem, who defines what the market rate is for the role?

[MPwannadecentincome]

The average Brit did nothing to stop manufacturing from leaving UK shores for good- OK so some of the early TV's and cars out of Japan etc were not that good, but now they are the best in the world (in fact they are the ONLY ones in the world as no one else has the capability to manufactures any more).

Not sure the japanese is the best example - their economy has been in the doldrums for a while now and Honda, Nissan, Sony etc have manufacturing plants here.

[pzz76077]

Like I said - you stick to whatever it is you do wherever it is you do it. We'll look after the real world.

The real world is all around you and I see no prospect of you or anyone else improving the lot of contractors.

PZZ