Rates and Margins in these times..

[Another Dodgy Agent]

Fair point

I disagree. Part of being a contractor (ltd co) is that you have to expect expenses and should factor these costs in when you decide upon a rate for a contract surely?

[Another Dodgy Agent]

Let's put this simply:-

1. Recruitments agents would not exist without contractors.
2. Contractors can exist without agents.

You may be right, but for a group of indvidual's who have such a "downer" on agencies its amazing how many of you decide to work through an agency!

[pzz76077]

I disagree. Part of being a contractor (ltd co) is that you have to expect expenses and should factor these costs in when you decide upon a rate for a contract surely?

Its not like you are actually paying these expenses out of your own pocket, you are claiming them against taxes and doing the rest of the population out of their social fund, so think yourselves lucky Gordo let you get away with it for now - when we are all classed as employees as in may Euro countries we wont get away with it.

PZZ

[Another Dodgy Agent]

Audit by who? Fined for what? The industry is pretty much unregulated. You don't need a license, just some terms of business, a signed contract of a Clientco, an open req and you are in the great cash business of recruitment(!!!)

As much as it pains me (I am on holiday and would rather be heading towards the bed of Mrs ADA for some much needed cuddles) I will respond. Firstly, cretin, agencies are actually regulated by the government and must conform to government regulation, but you would not be aware of that unless you ran/owned an agency which clearly you do not.

I have heard of the R.E.C - but they are an agency funded talk shop with "guidelines" that give recruitment companies a nice logo if they pay them enough money to be members.

Nice, your research does you well, I have heard of MCSE, perhaps we should swap notes no?

If you spend your time carefully carving out a CV for a role which is speculative and get no status back - its been a complete waste of your time, yet the agency benefit from having another CV in the database kitty.

Oh, yes cos we need more CVs, agencies are gagging for candidates!! No worries, I am sure our clients do not give us roles, that are not speculative, without budget approval, are not filled internally, are not scouting the market...

I wonder if you have the data protection right to ask for the CV back and deleted of the agencies system? Better to have them waste their time taking it off, rather then benefiting by building out their databases at the cost of the applicants time. Make em' think twice before sticking up unfunded roles.

You do and if I knew you were on my database I would happily remove you and delete you off the system, because quite frankly I do not need the hassle of somebody who does not understand the current market.

Finally at an average of £12 per role, no agency in this recession would be advertising roles unless they believed they were real.

[DodgyAgent]

As much as it pains me (I am on holiday and would rather be heading towards the bed of Mrs ADA for some much needed cuddles) I will respond. Firstly, cretin, agencies are actually regulated by the government and must conform to government regulation, but you would not be aware of that unless you ran/owned an agency which clearly you do not.



Nice, your research does you well, I have heard of MCSE, perhaps we should swap notes no?


Oh, yes cos we need more CVs, agencies are gagging for candidates!! No worries, I am sure our clients do not give us roles, that are not speculative, without budget approval, are not filled internally, are not scouting the market...



You do and if I knew you were on my database I would happily remove you and delete you off the system, because quite frankly I do not need the hassle of somebody who does not understand the current market.

Finally at an average of £12 per role, no agency in this recession would be advertising roles unless they believed they were real.

You obviously work for a p***pot little agency with virtually no roles if you are paying that much for your job adverts

[Evil Hangover]

This is not difficult. If you think an agent is providing a piss poor service then just dump them. (Don't text them when you're pissed either)

[Another Dodgy Agent]

You obviously work for a p***pot little agency with virtually no roles if you are paying that much for your job adverts

Grow up little man, for the benefit of yourself. We have plenty of roles, but no need to advertise them in this climate, but you carry on DA in your little world, twat!

[d000hg]

Grow up little man, for the benefit of yourself. We have plenty of roles, but no need to advertise them in this climate, but you carry on DA in your little world, twat!

What a great advert for your profession.

[ChimpMaster]

What a great advert for your profession.

And you can almost imagine him slicking his hair back when he said that.

[shanti]

You may be right, but for a group of indvidual's who have such a "downer" on agencies its amazing how many of you decide to work through an agency!

We don't have a choice, do we.. most of the time you lot are dinging each other to get on a PSL - the poor bod candidate who is actually doing the work is never given a chance to communicate with the clientco without going through the clogged up competitive meat market rat race agency channels.

Kinda typical of this country, there is this wide-boy middle layer in the way of everything here, estate-agents mentality trading wheelers and dealers with no moral compass (in the IT recruitment - most of these people are unable to distinguish a computer from a biscuit tin). Reminds me of the tabloid press mentality that seems to gain the UK an international reputation for immaturity.

I think it speaks to that fact that we have limited opportunities, but large amounts of aspiring technical talent - and thus this 'middle layer' can unaccountably thrive on the back of the few technical talented people - until they have sapped them of their skills.