'Crackdown' on brollies?

[krytonsheep]

They can't hire permies, they hate paying contractors but can't live without them...I present you the Public Sector.

Private sector isn't much different. In addition if there's a round of redundancies, a few times I've seen permies get chopped not the contractors. Something to do with contractors being in a different cost center, which gets overlooked by management who think it's for the office cleaners

[cojak]

And then someone who seems to work for Payepass checked out my linkedIn profile. He claims to have worked for an "umbrella" prior to joining payepass a year before it was started.

Now I wonder if that "umbrella" was the one based in the exact same room / office used by a company owned by Payepass's owner ... The dates look very familiar when I check out a particular HMRC enquiry thread...

Really? *strokes chin…*

[cojak]

This wouldn’t have anything to do with it, would it?

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/benth...350487552-jmsz

And to think that Fred (NotBloggs) could have kept this in a little corner of CUK instead of trying to bully a poster into silence and have it spattered like cow muck all over LinkedIn.

(PS. Posted with Eek’s permission.)

[eek]

It does feel like time to ask some question that have taken a lot of time to verify

can we talk about the 2 limited companies you had registered at 3rd Floor 44, Old Hall Street, Liverpool, England, L3 9PP at at same time that both ELITE MANAGEMENT & CONSULTANCY LIMITED (a tax avoidance scheme which appears in the HMRC scheme enquiries thread) and PAYECOMPARE LIMITED an umbrella “comparison” firm designed to sell the services of elite management and similar firms were registered there.

Edit (based on a question earlier today) - it's useful to read the Statement of administrator's proposal for Elite Management & Consultancy Limited because Section 2 line 3 tells you that 3rd Floor 44, Old Hall Street, Liverpool, England, L3 9PP was the office from Elite Management & Consultancy Limited operated and traded from. So this isn't an accountancy office with people registering their companies at their accountants - it's the office of an "umbrella" firm where someone who claims to be completely unconnected registered 2 separate companies.

extra links to help others with background https://forums.contractoruk.com/umbr...ease-help.html , https://forums.contractoruk.com/umbr...se-help-3.html

and it’s definitely the same small (950sq ft, 5-7 people max) office as the VOA’s valuation makes very clear so please don’t pretend they were separate offices on the same floor.

Now if that doesn’t work shall we talk about the LinkedIn profile of JM on the day you launched PayePass before it was cleansed (don’t stress I have time stamped screenshots) where he moved straight from elite management to PayePass or why AL (still up on LinkedIn) is so reticent to mention the “umbrella” he used to work for.

[eek]

And some background

tax avoidance schemes need three things

a (vaguely plausible) method of not paying full tax
Marketing / salesmen
a means of getting their scheme past gatekeepers - and after 20 years with this new crackdown agencies are finally paying attention to how their workers are being paid. Hence the current focus on new and more advanced compliance schemes

And that leaves my final question - why is someone trying to so hard (to the extent of committing a criminal offence - albeit of little consequence) to avoid a bit of background history being pointed out.

[malvolio]

Private sector isn't much different. In addition if there's a round of redundancies, a few times I've seen permies get chopped not the contractors. Something to do with contractors being in a different cost center, which gets overlooked by management who think it's for the office cleaners

Close but no banana... Permies are paid out of revenue. Contractors are usually paid out of project budgets at some level. If a contractor is paid out of revenue budget then they are not really in a role that should be filled by a contractor*.

Also, like-for-like in terms of costs, a permie costs roughly 15% more than a contractor in the same job with their extra overheads, plus you have to pay them 12 months a year. Another couple of points routinely ignored by middle managers who have never really got their heads around cost accountancy.



* Again, that is the differentiator between contractors and office cleaners and the like, who are part of the overheads.

[cojak]

And some background

tax avoidance schemes need three things

a (vaguely plausible) method of not paying full tax
Marketing / salesmen
a means of getting their scheme past gatekeepers - and after 20 years with this new crackdown agencies are finally paying attention to how their workers are being paid. Hence the current focus on new and more advanced compliance schemes

And that leaves my final question - why is someone trying to so hard (to the extent of committing a criminal offence - albeit of little consequence) to avoid a bit of background history being pointed out.

Fred will be quite welcome to join us and explain why he felt the need to dox eek when eek has all the evidence at his disposal (a fact that Fred might have missed…).

[eek]

Fred will be quite welcome to join us and explain why he felt the need to dox eek when eek has all the evidence at his disposal (a fact that Fred might have missed…).

Oh if you check the linkedin post linked above - Fred seems to find the idea boring and is refusing to answer the questions (although I suspect CUK may be getting a legal letter tomorrow so note how everything above is just links to publicly available data.

I've screenshot and copied the reply below for convenience. For anyone like me who has over the past 15 years seen an awful lot of failed tax avoidance schemes tells you everything you need to know...

[northernladuk]

All that talk about people exposing each other and not a single nod to Simon Mac for exposing himself on a CUK do. How rude.

[eek]

All that talk about people exposing each other and not a single nod to Simon Mac for exposing himself on a CUK do. How rude.

To be frank I had better plans for my day - and was trying to keep away from the industry but sadly someone forced my hand.