Contractor with 2 IR35 Contracts

[WTFH]

I have two laptops in use and have daily stand ups then the rest of the day it is requirements gathering and documentation and any database changes as necessary

That’s completely avoided all the questions, and typical for someone who is trying to receive justification and support for what they want to do.

What does each of your contracts say?

[northernladuk]

I have two laptops in use and have daily stand ups then the rest of the day it is requirements gathering and documentation and any database changes as necessary

Like any other employee does. So you can pull the wool over your clients eyes and go do some work on the other client while you've set an unreasonable timescale to deliver the changes 'as necessary' to your first client.

The fact you have daily standups completely blows the arguments of the usual suspects that you can go away and deliver as you feel like it.

Your current client expects you to have a standup, tell them what you will be delivering in the next 8 hours so you've got a full day. The only way you are managing this is by giving completely unrealistic answers in both standups and doing half the work for each client.

Most blatent piss take example we've seen to date.

[porrker]

Ultimately it comes down to what both contracts state. Most inside IR35 contracts are time bound (Monday to Friday 8 hours a day between 8am-6pm). If both contracts have such a clause then you are breaking both contracts. It depends on your risk appetite. As for your tax arrangements I’m not sure I would be wanting losing so much in tax to what appears a risky arrangement. I also don’t buy into using one umbrella as they have to flow down such clauses and would become liable if they had you working on two contracts with the same time based arrangement.

if you want to do multiple contracts in parallel get yourself two outside contracts and run them through your limited company.

[TheGreenBastard]

I have two laptops in use and have daily stand ups then the rest of the day it is requirements gathering and documentation and any database changes as necessary

Good lad, sounds like you're delivering to client expectations. Great time to be doing it with inflation what it is, UK Plc thanks you for your tax donations.

[dsc]

I have two laptops in use and have daily stand ups then the rest of the day it is requirements gathering and documentation and any database changes as necessary

What happens when you get some sort of team meeting or implementation discussion / tech talk request from both companies at the same time?

It's like cojak already said, it's basically doing two perm jobs, but at the same time, not a lot (none most likely) of companies would be happy with you doing this as it will most likely affect your efficiency / availability etc. Good luck when someone eventually finds out...

[SussexSeagull]

I am generally not in the 'they will sue you' camp but if one contract was expecting you to work 9-5 and they discover you have been working another contract at the same time then it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that they will want some money back.

[SueEllen]

I have two laptops in use and have daily stand ups then the rest of the day it is requirements gathering and documentation and any database changes as necessary

So you admit you have to interact with people?

You are going to get confused and someone is going to message you/contact you when you aren't available/middle of task for another client.

At one client I had 3 laptops to do the work. Pain in the behind as different things had to be done on different laptops but I had to answer messages quickly.

[Lance]

I am generally not in the 'they will sue you' camp but if one contract was expecting you to work 9-5 and they discover you have been working another contract at the same time then it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that they will want some money back.

I agree.
Very unlikely to end up in anything other than gross misconduct and being fired.

Although... If one of the clients was small, or the umbrella/agency were vindictive, they might try to make it a criminal fraud case. No idea if that can be used against an employee, but if I was the client/agent/umbrella and in a bad mood I'd give it a crack.

Unlikely they'd get the money back, but the OP would have significant stress dealing with the fallout and paperwork.

[SussexSeagull]

I agree.
Very unlikely to end up in anything other than gross misconduct and being fired.

Although... If one of the clients was small, or the umbrella/agency were vindictive, they might try to make it a criminal fraud case. No idea if that can be used against an employee, but if I was the client/agent/umbrella and in a bad mood I'd give it a crack.

Unlikely they'd get the money back, but the OP would have significant stress dealing with the fallout and paperwork.

I think you are probably right although throw in trying to get your last invoice settled would be a challenge.

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I think you are probably right although throw in trying to get your last invoice settled would be a challenge.

I'm not so sure - I suspect you would be paid up to the second they told you were to go and not a second more..