choosing inside and outside IR35

[GitMaster69]

but you're missing the point. They won't engage with your LTD. That makes IR35 totally out of scope. You will be an employee of them, their agency, or an umbrella.
They're not asking you to abandon your company.
They want a member of staff. If that's not for you then fine. But there's bugger all you can do about it. They've made their choice.

Details are important if you ever want to be engaged an outside IR35 contractor ever again so pay attention to them.

Yes it’s their choice to force it on us . If there were half of the contracts proper outside 1 man needed, half inside, I’d be fine with that. But that’s not what happened and my business is locked out of lucrative industry!

[Lance]

Never inside. Inside roles need to die just like FTC

Strong position. I applaud your stand.

. If there were half of the contracts proper outside 1 man needed, half inside, I’d be fine with that.

Uhoh... Your slipping.. Less than 24 hours.

It took the banks many months to choose their path. And it's not all PSCs banned. Just the ones you know about. There are plenty of proper outside contractors left. Just not bum on the seat developers.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the banks knew all along you, and many others, were inside all along but they were happy as it wasn't their problem.

You're going to have to deal with reality and/or find different work.

For what it's worth there's plenty of outside gigs for genuine freelancers. I have 5 right now.

[GitMaster69]

Strong position. I applaud your stand.


Uhoh... Your slipping.. Less than 24 hours.

It took the banks many months to choose their path. And it's not all PSCs banned. Just the ones you know about. There are plenty of proper outside contractors left. Just not bum on the seat developers.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the banks knew all along you, and many others, were inside all along but they were happy as it wasn't their problem.

You're going to have to deal with reality and/or find different work.

For what it's worth there's plenty of outside gigs for genuine freelancers. I have 5 right now.

My business is fine and not impacted by ir35 (because I wasn’t servicing finance ). If anything I’m happy with it so far , lots of permie contractors gone, opens business development doors...

[Lance]

My business is fine and not impacted by ir35 (because I wasn’t servicing finance ). If anything I’m happy with it so far , lots of permie contractors gone, opens business development doors...

indeed it does

[lucyclarityumbrella]

Blanket determination isn’t anything like a blanket ban on the use of PSCs

I think both you eek and northernladuk have a point. If the end client applies a blanket ban on the use of PSC's then this places the contracts outside of the remit for IR35, ie the legislation doesn't need to be taken into consideration. Whereas IF the roles are all blanket inside IR35, it is a different kettle of fish... if they do this the IR35 legislation still applies and at this point if they insist on an umbrella for the assignment then the employment costs (Ers NI, Levy and the umbrella margin) cannot be passed onto the contractor and as such an uplift must be applied to the rate

[Lance]

I think both you eek and northernladuk have a point. If the end client applies a blanket ban on the use of PSC's then this places the contracts outside of the remit for IR35, ie the legislation doesn't need to be taken into consideration. Whereas IF the roles are all blanket inside IR35, it is a different kettle of fish... if they do this the IR35 legislation still applies and at this point if they insist on an umbrella for the assignment then the employment costs (Ers NI, Levy and the umbrella margin) cannot be passed onto the contractor and as such an uplift must be applied to the rate

*cough*

NOTE. Blanket bans on PSCs is not the same as inside IR35. Or do you mean blanket determinations? (which are unlawful and uncommon as far as I'm aware).

[lucyclarityumbrella]

*cough*

Lance my apologies for missing you off the list

[northernladuk]

I've a feeling even though four people have now highlighted the difference to the OP he's still going to struggle with it.

[northernladuk]

*cough*

She was doing in reverse order and leaving the best to last with a cliff hanger wait and you spoilt it....

Or maybe not