Originally posted by ladymuck
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Originally posted by GitMaster69 View Post
silly? We need to show foxtrot oscar to companies forcing IR35 on us via blanket bans
For years they've had to pay top dollar for prima-donna contractors, of whom only a few acted correctly. Now they aren't competing for outside contractors (that mostly never existed really) then can exert the control they always wanted.
Shut up and code. B*tch...!
NOTE. Blanket bans on PSCs is not the same as inside IR35. Or do you mean blanket determinations? (which are unlawful and uncommon as far as I'm aware).See You Next TuesdayComment
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Originally posted by GitMaster69 View Post
silly? We need to show foxtrot oscar to companies forcing IR35 on us via blanket bans
I really wish people would take the time to carefully pick their arguments.
dave Chaplin is a prime example complaining that the FCSA is not doing something about holiday pay abuses in a company doing joint employment deals - when the FCSA is explicit that they only deal in their very narrow nichesmerely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by GitMaster69 View Post
silly? We need to show foxtrot oscar to companies forcing IR35 on us via blanket bans'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
I wish people would get this bit right. Blanket ban is not inside IR35. Blanket ban on PSCs or blanket determination. It's pretty key.
and role based determinations are perfectly legal - it’s just global determinations that everyone is inside that aren’t.
and then you have agents who don’t 100% know what’s going on and say the wrong thing
either way there are a lot of things that may result in a contract being “inside” IR35 most of which will be because the contract is simply just additional staff (by another means) or because HMRC has scared the Finance / HR Directormerely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View Post
Blanket determination isn’t anything like a blanket ban on the use of PSCs
and role based determinations are perfectly legal - it’s just global determinations that everyone is inside that aren’t.
and then you have agents who don’t 100% know what’s going on and say the wrong thing
either way there are a lot of things that may result in a contract being “inside” IR35 most of which will be because the contract is simply just additional staff (by another means) or because HMRC has scared the Finance / HR Director'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by Lance View Post
Realistically all that's happening now is client's are exerting the control they mostly always had, and definitely always wanted.
For years they've had to pay top dollar for prima-donna contractors, of whom only a few acted correctly. Now they aren't competing for outside contractors (that mostly never existed really) then can exert the control they always wanted.
Shut up and code. B*tch...!
NOTE. Blanket bans on PSCs is not the same as inside IR35. Or do you mean blanket determinations? (which are unlawful and uncommon as far as I'm aware).Comment
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Originally posted by GitMaster69 View Post
blanket determinations uncommon? Have you been living under a rock? The entire financial industry did nothing but that.
No. They have blanket banned PSCs...... They are not stupid enough to to blanket assessments as that's NOT LAWFUL.See You Next TuesdayComment
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Originally posted by Lance View Post
sigh....
No. They have blanket banned PSCs...... They are not stupid enough to to blanket assessments as that's NOT LAWFUL.
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call it as you want blanket ban blanket or determination. The result is I can't work there as I will not abandon my business because they wish soComment
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Originally posted by GitMaster69 View Post
sorry I miss the difference. Me as an "outside" contractor , having a business. Can I have financial client?
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call it as you want blanket ban blanket or determination. The result is I can't work there as I will not abandon my business because they wish so
They're not asking you to abandon your company.
They want a member of staff. If that's not for you then fine. But there's bugger all you can do about it. They've made their choice.
Details are important if you ever want to be engaged an outside IR35 contractor ever again so pay attention to them.See You Next TuesdayComment
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