BT - IR35

[Networker2017]

Per contractor review and no blanket "inside" rule.

[Lance]

Per contractor review and no blanket "inside" rule.

what are you saying?

You have a new contract with BT?
You'd like a contract with BT?
It's an outside IR35 contract you've signed (no surprises, it's not their problem)?

Give us a clue. We're not telepathic.

[Networker2017]

Sorry, Unlike the banking sector, BT are carrying out an IR35 review per a contract. As opposed to making all roles inside.

Thought it made a refreshing change.

[Amanensia]

Sorry, Unlike the banking sector, BT are carrying out an IR35 review per a contract. As opposed to making all roles inside.

Making most roles umbrella (I understand what you mean, but umbrella PAYE is not the same thing as inside IR35, and not all roles are affected at all banks.)

[rockinghorse]

Per contractor review and no blanket "inside" rule.

Probably cos they realise they actually need these folks and dont want to lose them.

[Lance]

Probably cos they realise they actually need these folks and dont want to lose them.

yup.
The only people who deliver anything in BT are the contractors.
Having said that, most of them are permietractors anyway (and crap ones) so will likely be found inside just not a blanket decision.

To avoid a 'blanket' decision, BT would simply need to do more than one CEST assessment for their business units. So don't hold your breath that you'll be cionsidered as an aindividual.

"Not blanket" DOES NOT EQUAL "individual assessment."

[sal]

This is exactly how it played out 3 years ago with the Public sector. Initially there was a huge wave of panic blanked inside determination. Then slowly at the beginning of 2017 organisations started making the effort to actually do determinations and not wreck their IT departments.

By the summer of 2017 most of these that had initial blanket determinations, started to slowly allow outside roles.

Permitractors and Umbrella users will be put inside to feed the beast, critical roles that require actual expertise will be placed outside to attract the required talent.

[PCTNN]

Permitractors and Umbrella users will be put inside to feed the beast, critical roles that require actual expertise will be placed outside to attract the required talent.

so like 10% critical roles therefore outside, and 90% non critical roles therefore inside? What do you think will be the split?

Either way, much more fair better than what it's been until now.

[dsc]

I'd say that for anything where there's loads of interest from permies, they will go permies obviously. For niche skills or areas where they cannot find good permies, but which are critical, they might be more flexible, but most likely still leaning towards PAYE / umbrella, allowing PSCs as a last resort.

My opinion is that initialy a lot of clients want to do individual assessments, maybe listening to PMs / team leads who are saying that their projects are f*cked if contractors go. Then legal teams / risk analysis teams / upper management get involved and you end up with a shift towards PAYE / umbrella only.

[PlanB]

This is exactly how it played out 3 years ago with the Public sector. Initially there was a huge wave of panic blanked inside determination. Then slowly at the beginning of 2017 organisations started making the effort to actually do determinations and not wreck their IT departments.

By the summer of 2017 most of these that had initial blanket determinations, started to slowly allow outside roles.

Permitractors and Umbrella users will be put inside to feed the beast, critical roles that require actual expertise will be placed outside to attract the required talent.

The main reason they backed down is that the private sector was there as an escape valve and all the decent public sector contractors jumped ship. That isn't there anymore, there is no hiding place and with the market in the crapper with Brexit the downward pressure on rates and assessments is high.

There will be a fundamental shift in contracting, time will tell if there is a viable market for PSC contracting post April or not.