State of the Market

[willendure]

Spotted a beauty this morning.

AI Software Engineer

5+ years of experience.

List of skills, both AI and non-AI, as long as your arm.

£ 220-260 per day inside.

'Possibility' of remote work.

WTF?!?!

Advertiser is eTeam Workforce Limited. Never heard of them so I checked them out on Companies House. You can guess what nationality the director is likely to be!

I saw that one too! Just laughed, ignore. Probably just posted it to prove that no-one in the UK wants it so can get a tier 2 visa for an "Actual Indian".

[Cookielove]

I saw that one too! Just laughed, ignore. Probably just posted it to prove that no-one in the UK wants it so can get a tier 2 visa for an "Actual Indian".

Yep exactly that it’s happening all the time…employ cheap Indians….

[Protagoras]

Meh, on the whole they are both smarter and about as street smart, give or take. Some of them are cretins, of course. Having a crappy upbringing or going to a tulipe school or university doesn't really convey tremendous life advantages, honestly. On the other hand, it is certainly true that the main consultancies do like posh people from good schools that aren't always the best those schools have to offer (), which is compounded by their being placed into advisory positions that they really shouldn't be in for their young years or experience. Designed to fail, a bit.

There's also a certain amount of projection about Oxbridge grads from people that didn't have the life advantages and/or intelligence and/or work hard enough to get in there. Just sayin' like.

I worked alongside Oxbridge types from major consultancies when I was in London; such consultancies seem to be less prevalent in the North. I'd not really say that the Oxbridge types were cleverer than those from other good Unis. But most were 'posh' with a public school background and a definite air of confidence ("presence") that undoubtedly helped their consultancy careers. They were generally exceptionally polished at presentations.
Consultancy is so much about sales, it's hardly surprising that employees tend to be attractive and confident.

Speaking of presentations, I once went to the launch of a s/w product in London. The most attractive young lady presenting to a very large audience was amazing, and answered questions confidently. I caught up with her for a chat afterwards, and she told me she was an actress, hired for the event, knew nothing about software and the answers were cue'd to her.
That was an eye-opener for me as to how these things worked.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the race to the bottom for introvert techies continues ...

[Dorkeaux]

I saw that one too! Just laughed, ignore. Probably just posted it to prove that no-one in the UK wants it so can get a tier 2 visa for an "Actual Indian".

Good possibility. Might not even be connected to a real role, there is no way of telling. Nothingburger.

On the cost of "Actual Indians", salary levels for IT bods on India have been going up very sharply for a few years now. Double digit percentage increases per year, if you are in demand.

A previous client used a mid-tier Indian services company, and there was a serious problem keeping their bums on the seat. They kept leaving for better paying jobs.

[PerfectStorm]

Another public sector panel interview coming up. Get ready for it now... "Tell me about a time when..."

[PerfectStorm]

I saw that one too! Just laughed, ignore. Probably just posted it to prove that no-one in the UK wants it so can get a tier 2 visa for an "Actual Indian".

That's actually terrifying if that's how our immigration levels are being manipulated to levels that both the current and previous government don't seem to be able to do anything about.

[SussexSeagull]

That's actually terrifying if that's how our immigration levels are being manipulated to levels that both the current and previous government don't seem to be able to do anything about.

TBF the current government have at least noticed. Proof of the pudding will be in the easting though.

[Fraidycat]

just posted it to prove that no-one in the UK wants it

That won't work because they will still get 100s of applications even at that rate.

[Dorkeaux]

Another public sector panel interview coming up. Get ready for it now... "Tell me about a time when..."

Good luck. If nothing else, great practice.

[edison]

I worked alongside Oxbridge types from major consultancies when I was in London; such consultancies seem to be less prevalent in the North. I'd not really say that the Oxbridge types were cleverer than those from other good Unis. But most were 'posh' with a public school background and a definite air of confidence ("presence") that undoubtedly helped their consultancy careers. They were generally exceptionally polished at presentations.
Consultancy is so much about sales, it's hardly surprising that employees tend to be attractive and confident.

Speaking of presentations, I once went to the launch of a s/w product in London. The most attractive young lady presenting to a very large audience was amazing, and answered questions confidently. I caught up with her for a chat afterwards, and she told me she was an actress, hired for the event, knew nothing about software and the answers were cue'd to her.
That was an eye-opener for me as to how these things worked.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the race to the bottom for introvert techies continues ...

Exactly this - consultancy has a huge element that is about building client rapport and sales.

It's also no coincidence that a lot of young attractive women work in software pre-sales.

My daughter is a student and works part time for a software company on the marketing side. She was asked to work for them at a big B2B conference where her role was to walk around as a kind of 'hostess' and persuade potential punters to visit the company's stand.

Despite relatively limited knowledge of the product, she found the older men were keen to talk to her and then get roped into talking to one of the sales guys.