I find Scrum stand up meetings humiliating

[VillageContractor]

It's not you but you're stand ups are being done wrong, for so many reasons. Let me know if your company needs help in that area - my rates are very reasonable

[BlasterBates]

To come back to the article that criticies Agile.

The key principle of Agile:

Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer
through early and continuous delivery
of valuable software.

Principles behind the Agile Manifesto

The emphasis on early delivery puts pressure on developers to "deliver early". Hence things get chucked out that are full of bugs.

....and there's this

The most efficient and effective method of
conveying information to and within a development
team is face-to-face conversation.

....no no no no it isn't

The best form of communication is a written document. Civilisation is only possible because we write things down.

Was the Acropolis built via casual conversations....no...

[TheLordDave]

It makes me laugh when you have a waterfall project that's is broken down into 2 week 'sprints' then everyone runs about congratulating themselves that they are 'doing scrum', done right it can work but pretty much no where does it correctly. They read a book about it then stick to the 'rules' about meetings, get some new post-it's and away they go.

[SpontaneousOrder]

It makes me laugh when you have a waterfall project that's is broken down into 2 week 'sprints' then everyone runs about congratulating themselves that they are 'doing scrum', done right it can work but pretty much no where does it correctly. They read a book about it then stick to the 'rules' about meetings, get some new post-it's and away they go.

Dan North on twitter earlier today:

.@scottwambler just long enough for a mini-waterfall with none of the benefits of in-the-moment feedback. Shame on us.

https://twitter.com/tastapod/status/613360899345268736

[SpontaneousOrder]

The emphasis on early delivery puts pressure on developers to "deliver early". Hence things get chucked out that are full of bugs.

Right... but you'll also notice that the manifesto/principles also talks exclusively about 'working software', and 'technical excellence'.

It's hardly a flaw of 'agile' that some people cling to the buzz-words without really understanding what they are doing, in the same way it wouldn't be a flaw of the heel-toe technique that causes boy racers to wrap their car around a tree after seeing it used in a movie.

[eek]

Totally and utterly pointless. Been in a room with 30 team members before some offshore - took over an hour.

Nobody is really interested in what anybody else is doing, they just want to get their piece out of the way and then get on with it.

Yet another pointless methodology, supposedly agile but now an industry. We've been LEANED everybody!

30 members of a single scrum team Once you hit 10 at most you need to split the teams up...

Ideally you then have 1 person from other teams attending the other scrum meetings. (i.e. 1 person from team a attends the team b scrum, 1 from team b attends team a's scrum)..

After all the entire point of a scrum meeting is:-

1) confirm you've done something yesterday and plan to do something today
2) ensure people know who is struggling so people including you can offer help for those who are having problems

[SueEllen]

Totally and utterly pointless. Been in a room with 30 team members before some offshore - took over an hour.

Nobody is really interested in what anybody else is doing, they just want to get their piece out of the way and then get on with it.

Yet another pointless methodology, supposedly agile but now an industry. We've been LEANED everybody!

If it's taking over an hour then it's very very wrong.

In fact if the "scrum" is taking longer than 10 minutes but 15 at the most act like your mobile is vibrating and leave the area/room to take that urgent call.

[Antman]

I quite liked doing stand up meetings. If nothing else it was a chance for a bit of a break mid morning, and it did often mean that by having a short daily meeting you avoided a lot of the need for a long, painful, oh my God when will it end die die die you've said this fifty times already you ******* ******* type meeting.
.

Never a truer word

[jmo21]

They are trying to do agile at my current contract.

But they have 1 stand up meeting for the whole dev team (10 people) who are all working on different things.

It goes fast enough, but it is pretty much a waste of time for many of us, as we are about a ton of stuff we are not working on.

[SimonMac]

Was the Acropolis built via casual conversations....no...

And look at the state of it!