Lorien "We don't change our contracts in response to IR35 reviews"

[7specialgems]

So according to the agent I'm dealing with for a new gig through Lorien, since their contracts are template based, back to backed with the client and via a portal, they won't make any of the changes recommended by QDos in my IR35 review.

Just wondered if there were any people on here who are currently with Lorien via their web portal contract system thing and have had changes applied after any level of fuss.

As it stands at the minute, since this is a Public Sector gig, if I don't get the QDos changes in the contract, I'll be writing to the client to let them know that I really want to work with them and I am more than happy with the rate that has been agreed, but I am unable to agree terms with their agent.

[northernladuk]

Did it actually fail or did they just have recommendations? Is it a Capita gig?

[7specialgems]

Did it actually fail or did they just have recommendations? Is it a Capita gig?

It was a failure NLUK. Not a capita gig.

[cojak]

I don't bother with public sector contracts anymore, they're not worth the hassle.

[northernladuk]

I'd be a little more careful with my response to the client than that. You don't know if then client has stipulated no ROS for example so the contract reflects that. Could make yourself look a bit daft. You can still get the same message across, just not quite so confrontational?

[jamesbrown]

It was a failure NLUK. Not a capita gig.

Are you confident that the suggested changes will reflect the reality of your working practices when you arrive at the client? If not, it's a waste of time. Public sector contracts aren't worth the headache.

[7specialgems]

I'd be a little more careful with my response to the client than that. You don't know if then client has stipulated no ROS for example so the contract reflects that. Could make yourself look a bit daft. You can still get the same message across, just not quite so confrontational?

Hopefully it won't come to it, but if it does, as you say, it will be carefully done.

I recognise that there may be certain common hotspots which might justify the back-to-back reasoning, but when, say, asking for softening language to be used in the contract to eliminate implications of control (contrived example, change "manager" to "client contact").

I just find the whole, black and white "no changes, no, just no, none" attitude to be agent tulip and was looking for someone else on a Lorien contract at the moment, via their web portal, to confirm that to me by virtue of them having had one or any number of QDos changes applied.

[malvolio]

It was a failure NLUK. Not a capita gig.

If it's public sector, it's a Capita gig at some point in the daisy chain. Blame Danny Alexander and his innate Lib Dem inability to understand even the simplest thing, such as why no contractor wants to work in the public sector any more..

[7specialgems]

Are you confident that the suggested changes will reflect the reality of your working practices when you arrive at the client? If not, it's a waste of time. Public sector contracts aren't worth the headache.

In this case yes. Without dropping down into low level detail, some of the features and language of the boiler plate Lorien contract are at odds with the laid back attitude and office practices at the end client (known to be true as these were discussed during the interview).

[7specialgems]

If it's public sector, it's a Capita gig at some point in the daisy chain. Blame Danny Alexander and his innate Lib Dem inability to understand even the simplest thing, such as why no contractor wants to work in the public sector any more..

My understanding is that this body are yet to migrate to the Capita/Contingent LabourONE framework, however even if it was, I am not convinced that this prevents Lorien from applying QDos feedback to the language used in, say, the Assignment Schedule portion.

Lorien feature in quite a few threads on here, so hopefully I'll be able to find a few more of us that have Lorien gigs through their web portal and have had contract review findings applied, and prove that the agent in question is just being a PITA.