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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostNo it's quite a minor point by itself. Permies can work flexible times as well. It can be part of proving there is no D&C which would be more useful.
If the company absolutely will not let their employees work flexible times, but they will with contractors, then that goes a long way to proving that they don't see you as an employee.Comment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostEssentially because I'm working a non-standard working week (I don't work a full Friday afternoon but make up the hours outside it to deliver the minimum contractually required per week) then that's a big outside IR35 plus?Comment
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Sorry for evolving the thread into an IR35 indicators thread but what other "quick wins" do people use to differentiate? For example, variable lunch hours outside of 12-2, dress code of your own LtdCo rather than ClientCo dress code, etc.?The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostSorry for evolving the thread into an IR35 indicators thread but what other "quick wins" do people use to differentiate? For example, variable lunch hours outside of 12-2, dress code of your own LtdCo rather than ClientCo dress code, etc.?
If you are looking for a quick win, it suggests that you are only looking for a box-ticking exercise, which isn't the best way to prepare your IR35 defence.
FWIW, I don't think what you wear or when you have lunch would be any form of IR35 indicator.Comment
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostThere are no "quick wins" as such with an IR35 case - you may have a series of small factors which add up to a more convincing case, but that's not the same thing.
If you are looking for a quick win, it suggests that you are only looking for a box-ticking exercise, which isn't the best way to prepare your IR35 defence.
FWIW, I don't think what you wear or when you have lunch would be any form of IR35 indicator.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostOh I'm not after quick wins, more general methods of conduct. I've never been concerned about it as I've followed the general advice of a couple of seasoned contractors and my accountant. I know of one guy who always looks smart but always wears jeans to work - it's his LtdCo's dress code. Whether he just does that because he can rather than for IR35 I was never sure!'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostOh I'm not after quick wins, more general methods of conduct. I've never been concerned about it as I've followed the general advice of a couple of seasoned contractors and my accountant. I know of one guy who always looks smart but always wears jeans to work - it's his LtdCo's dress code. Whether he just does that because he can rather than for IR35 I was never sure!
There are however some clients who have clearly defined rules for contractors.
However these rules tend to be over small and/or social things rather than ways of working.
For example:
1. Clients who don't invite contractors to staff parties. However often this can backfire as in departments where 50% or more of the workers are contractors the permies tend to refuse to turn up as well. Most people don't like company parties so any excuse not to turn up is welcome.
2. Clients who have a on-site canteen and charge contractors a higher rate
3. Email addresses that clearly indicate who is a contractor and who isn't.
4. Contractors not allowed desk phones but permies are. (This works well because people can't ring you up and disturb you instead they have to try and find you.)"You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostThere aren't any quick wins and dress isn't part of it either anyway. You don't expect someone moving boxes to dress in the same way as someone meeting clients or the head of the client company.
There are however some clients who have clearly defined rules for contractors.
However these rules tend to be over small and/or social things rather than ways of working.
For example:
1. Clients who don't invite contractors to staff parties. However often this can backfire as in departments where 50% or more of the workers are contractors the permies tend to refuse to turn up as well. Most people don't like company parties so any excuse not to turn up is welcome.
2. Clients who have a on-site canteen and charge contractors a higher rate
3. Email addresses that clearly indicate who is a contractor and who isn't.
4. Contractors not allowed desk phones but permies are. (This works well because people can't ring you up and disturb you instead they have to try and find you.)
2. Never heard of these.
3. Never seen these either
4. Again, never seen this but like the idea of it.
Most places I've contracted are quite pragmatic about it - as a contractor you are provided with the tools to get the job done. No different to consultants that are brought in from Accenture, etc.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View Post1. So, staff parties - what's the ruling on these? Where I am now, contractors have to pay and permies don't if they want to attend. Presume that's IR35 friendly.
2. Never heard of these.
3. Never seen these either
4. Again, never seen this but like the idea of it.
Most places I've contracted are quite pragmatic about it - as a contractor you are provided with the tools to get the job done. No different to consultants that are brought in from Accenture, etc.Comment
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