Timesheet IR35 indicator?

[Tasslehoff]

Big shake up at current client co, cost cutting etc precursor to a merger.

Everyone (inc contractors) being asked to fill in a timesheet daily listing the projects they are spending time on and how long. I am only working on 2 projects so mine will be relatively sparce but I am worried this is a extra level of Direction and Control or some kind of IR35 indicator?

[northernladuk]

Fella, You have got to think a bit before jumping straight on the IR35 bandwagon. How on earth is a project going to track it's budget if no one logs time spent just because they think it is D&C? They supposed to guess how much time you are spending on each or something?

Asking questions like this shows you don't understand your business, relationship with client and exactly what IR35 is.

I would be more worried you are working on two projects and whether this arrangement is reflected in your detailed Statement of Work or have you been drafted in because you were asked.

Read up on IR35.. understand it and understand why the client is asking you to do stuff. Everything will become a lot clearer.

[eek]

Big shake up at current client co, cost cutting etc precursor to a merger.

Everyone (inc contractors) being asked to fill in a timesheet daily listing the projects they are spending time on and how long. I am only working on 2 projects so mine will be relatively sparce but I am worried this is a extra level of Direction and Control or some kind of IR35 indicator?

Why? I book timesheets (using a different system to employees) so the end client can be billed.

[TykeMerc]

Big shake up at current client co, cost cutting etc precursor to a merger.

Everyone (inc contractors) being asked to fill in a timesheet daily listing the projects they are spending time on and how long. I am only working on 2 projects so mine will be relatively sparce but I am worried this is a extra level of Direction and Control or some kind of IR35 indicator?

If it is then I and probably 99% of us on here are in deep cacky. Client timesheets with detail of deliverables, activities and projects are standard stuff, they're used for cost tracking in project environments.

Not a direction and control indicator in my book, just a common sense client work element. Suppliers routinely record and report time against project deliverables.

[SimonMac]

Big shake up at current client co, cost cutting etc precursor to a merger.

Everyone (inc contractors) being asked to fill in a timesheet daily listing the projects they are spending time on and how long. I am only working on 2 projects so mine will be relatively sparce but I am worried this is a extra level of Direction and Control or some kind of IR35 indicator?

The fact you are working on multiple projects are a bigger red flag then the asking of timesheets

[jamesbrown]

The fact you are working on multiple projects are a bigger red flag then the asking of timesheets

That depends entirely on what the OP is contracted to do. Getting moved around projects is a red flag (D&C), but working on multiple projects that are detailed across one or more contracts is neutral.

[Tasslehoff]

Thanks folks, I have clearly misunderstood and need to brush up.

In regards to the project thing

I was brought in to complete a particular project which is close to completion. I was recently extended to aid in a second project which is in it's infancy.

Should I get this written into my contract? Or would "working practices" bear this out?

[northernladuk]

Thanks folks, I have clearly misunderstood and need to brush up.

In regards to the project thing

I was brought in to complete a particular project which is close to completion. I was recently extended to aid in a second project which is in it's infancy.

Should I get this written into my contract? Or would "working practices" bear this out?

Again, a lack of understanding.

Your working practice is doing anything you are told to by client that doesn't reflect what you were contracted to do. What do you think that sounds like?

You really do need to get a grip and quickly. Running your business with this lack of understanding is putting you at some significant risk. Just reading these two posts alone you sound like a disguised permie trying to tick boxes trying to be something else to me.

[TheFaQQer]

I was brought in to complete a particular project which is close to completion. I was recently extended to aid in a second project which is in it's infancy.

Should I get this written into my contract? Or would "working practices" bear this out?

It's neither, really. The thing you would need to prove to HMRC is whether the client directed you to work on the new project, or whether they offered and you accepted.

If they directed you onto the new project, then that doesn't help your IR35 defence. If they offered, you considered and accepted it, then that's OK.

[northernladuk]

It's neither, really. The thing you would need to prove to HMRC is whether the client directed you to work on the new project, or whether they offered and you accepted.

If they directed you onto the new project, then that doesn't help your IR35 defence. If they offered, you considered and accepted it, then that's OK.

How you would prove this is going to be the problem without it being written in to the contract.